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Old 08-06-2004, 01:23 AM   #121 (permalink)
Bill Davidson
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Re: Why Cop not citing bikers who does not obey the code?

Red Cloud wrote:
> it's a small license plate with number on it. Sure it's not a paper
> sticker OK.


It's not a plate at all. Maybe you need to use a dictionary.
A little sticker is not a plate. A plate is a larger and more
rigid thing than the stickers they use for bike licenses.

> Hope you are right but you are wrong. The minimum fine of the bicyle
> code violating is like a minor violation of automobile code.
> It's over $100 usually.


No. It really isn't. Go read the vehicle code section about the
rules for licensing. The fine for not having a license is limited
to $10. Really. You need to read more.

>>Second, cyclists 18 and over are not required to wear a helmet.

>
> Still I'm bit more right than wrong that California does enforce the helmet
> law for sure.


Most people are 18 or over. Children are a minority. Children
under about 3-4 rarely ride bikes so we're only talking about
maybe 4-17 year olds. You're more wrong than right. Most people
in California don't have to wear a helmet to ride a bike.

>>Third, there are no bicycle license plates issued by the government.

>
> The license plate is issued by the city not State.


It's not a plate. It's a sticker/decal. Use a dictionary.

>>Fourth, you are not allowed have headphones on both ears. You
>>can have a single ear plug in one ear. There is no mention of music.
>>This applies to both bicycles and motor vehicles.

>
> That's what I've said that don't repeat what I said.


That's not what you said. You said "No music allow". Music is
allowed either with a regular speaker or with a single ear plug.

> The $150 fine is average fine in most CA cities.


References? You're talking out of your ass. Besides, average
would imply that some fines are lower and some are higher. You
claimed $150 for any violation. You are intelligence impaired.

> I think it's depend on which police giving the fine or infractions.


No. It depends upon the laws of the area in question.

> But still you have to admit that America has this bike code.


Again, the C.V.C. only applies to California. There is no national
bike code. Some of the laws you describe even relate only to cities
yet you stupidly generalize it to the whole country. Many states
do not have helmet laws for bicycles. Many have no law regarding
headphones. I'm sure many have no bicycle licensing. I suspect
most probably require a light at night though.

> Think
> about you see the over billion bikers out there in Europe, Asia, India,
> they mostly do not enforce any bicycle code. Just look at an Italian street,
> so many bikers as if every Italians own the bike. How could they enforce
> the bike code when so many people are on the bike?


I saw an article the other day where Mario Cippolini got a ticket for
riding on a roadway in Italy where bikes were not permitted. They
don't just ticket random citizens on bikes. They ticketed one of the
biggest stars in Italian cycling -- in Italy. Each country and indeed
regions/cities within those countries have their own laws regarding
the use of the roadways by pretty much everyone. Enforcement varies
and you cannot make generalizations like that.

In Germany, you are required to have a bell on your bicycle. You are
also required to not only have a headlight but also a tail light at
night (California only requires a reflector on the back). It's my
understanding that Germany enforces all of its traffic laws pretty
strictly.
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