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07-29-2003, 10:40 AM

bigfloppyllama <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<3f260daf$1_4@news.chariot.net.au>...
> I have a question regarding stop signs. In the case of something like
> this, do you stop, yield, or just pass right through the stop sign:
> http://floppyllama.homestead.com/files/aaaa.jpg It's a US road so the
> cars travel on the right side of the road, along with bikes. Red is a
> stop sign, blue arrow is the direction you're going. Yellow is the split
> of the road.
>
> The road is rarely traveled on, as it just passes by a residential area
> along side a freeway. I see most riders coast through it like it doesn't
> exist, but there were two cops on sunday handing out tickets (I happen
> to be a proud owner of one) apparently due to a few accidents (although
> as long as the cyclist stays inside the bike lane, it's the fault of the
> car for hitting it). Besides the casual sunday riders I have yet to see
> a single cyclist even take note of the intersection. Honestly, I feel
> that it's more dangerous to stop in the bike lane since no cyclist I can
> think of expects you to stop. Your thoughts on this?

Do any pedestrians cross the intersection? If so its good to stop!
Also if a bicycle is turning left from the cross street he/she would
most likely be entering the bike lane, so it would be a source of
conflict if you do not stop. (plus cars making wide turns, ya its
their fault but you don't want to be hit by one rgardless) The turning
cyclist should see you but at an all way stop will not be anticipating
you travelling straight through.

Signal that you are stopping before you stop so that riders behind you
can anticipate this. Its probably okay from a safety standpoint just
to yield rather than stop but you also want to be sure not to get a
ticket.

Since these are stop signs I think that stopping should be required at
a T. But I also think that at signalled T-intersections exemptions
should be made that a cyclist can proceed straight through after
stopping and making sure all is clear. (similar to right turns on reds
for all vehicles)

I have nearly been hit while riding a couple of times turning left at
an intersection with the right of way (green light) where a cyclist
blows a red light at a T, and also as a pedestrian nearly hit by
cyclists blowing the red at the T. So you cannot assume that it is
perfectly okay to not stop at T intersections.

Tanya

07-29-2003, 10:40 AM	#22 (permalink)
Tanya Quinn Posts: n/a	Re: Entering the queue at a stop sign bigfloppyllama <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<3f260daf$1_4@news.chariot.net.au>... > I have a question regarding stop signs. In the case of something like > this, do you stop, yield, or just pass right through the stop sign: > http://floppyllama.homestead.com/files/aaaa.jpg It's a US road so the > cars travel on the right side of the road, along with bikes. Red is a > stop sign, blue arrow is the direction you're going. Yellow is the split > of the road. > > The road is rarely traveled on, as it just passes by a residential area > along side a freeway. I see most riders coast through it like it doesn't > exist, but there were two cops on sunday handing out tickets (I happen > to be a proud owner of one) apparently due to a few accidents (although > as long as the cyclist stays inside the bike lane, it's the fault of the > car for hitting it). Besides the casual sunday riders I have yet to see > a single cyclist even take note of the intersection. Honestly, I feel > that it's more dangerous to stop in the bike lane since no cyclist I can > think of expects you to stop. Your thoughts on this? Do any pedestrians cross the intersection? If so its good to stop! Also if a bicycle is turning left from the cross street he/she would most likely be entering the bike lane, so it would be a source of conflict if you do not stop. (plus cars making wide turns, ya its their fault but you don't want to be hit by one rgardless) The turning cyclist should see you but at an all way stop will not be anticipating you travelling straight through. Signal that you are stopping before you stop so that riders behind you can anticipate this. Its probably okay from a safety standpoint just to yield rather than stop but you also want to be sure not to get a ticket. Since these are stop signs I think that stopping should be required at a T. But I also think that at signalled T-intersections exemptions should be made that a cyclist can proceed straight through after stopping and making sure all is clear. (similar to right turns on reds for all vehicles) I have nearly been hit while riding a couple of times turning left at an intersection with the right of way (green light) where a cyclist blows a red light at a T, and also as a pedestrian nearly hit by cyclists blowing the red at the T. So you cannot assume that it is perfectly okay to not stop at T intersections. Tanya