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03-06-2005, 12:10 PM

"kituyjkm" <fchg> wrote in message
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3lm215as0ah35gjagvs1qshpubm42bd9i@4ax.com...
> My $500 Cannondale hybrid can take racks, fenders, etc. etc. I have
> fenders and a rack on the rear (actually a $2 plastic basket tie
> wrapped to a blackburn rack) that hauls my 20 lbs of text and
> notebooks to school almost daily. I have ebeen riding this bike for
> about 10 years now.

Are you planning to tour on your Cannondale hybrid? I plan to tour on the
Riv.

> When you TRY to spend $4k on a bike you get a racing machine with all
> the deficiencies you listed. So if someone is TRYING to spend $4k on
> a bike and sees all the racers and thinks, "Gee, that ain't for me",
> they start looking at Rivendells. If the goal is to spend $4k on a
> bike, then get the Rivendell. If the goal is to get a bike that is
> daily useable in the real world and accomodates larger tires, racks,
> fenders, lights, water bottles, etc., then there is no need to spend
> $4k. All the big bike makers make hybrid type machines in $500-600
> range.

I don't want a hybrid. I want a classic road bike with touring capability
and a drop bar. Why are you trying to compare the two? A touring bike and a
hybrid are not the same.

> As far as lugged frames go, the lugs are made by some bike frame parts
> maker. The tubing is brazed in (essentially high temp soldering).
> There isn't much art to brazing. I have done it and it is pretty
> easy. The lugs on the frame suck the solder into the joint. It's a
> whole lot harder to make a welded joint look pretty that a lugged
> joint. The beauty of a lugged frame is the nice curly-Qs that they
> put in to make it look fancy. Rivendell doesn't do that, the frame
> parts maker does that.

Sigh... You are entitled to your opinion. If nobody buys the lugs to build
up frames, then the lug maker will go out of business, and there will be no
more lugged frames. Builders tend to put their own touch on the lugs,
anyway, filing them to suit their own aesthetic tastes. Take a look at the
Waterford website to see what custom filed lugs look like. It's an art form,
not that a smooth Cannondale-esque TIG weld isn't, but lugs just look better
to my eyes. It's not about spending 4 grand. It's about buying something I
find pleasing to the eye, and something I want. Thank you for your input,
though.

03-06-2005, 12:10 PM	#50 (permalink)
Gooserider Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Rivendell customer service is very good "kituyjkm" <fchg> wrote in message news3lm215as0ah35gjagvs1qshpubm42bd9i@4ax.com... > My $500 Cannondale hybrid can take racks, fenders, etc. etc. I have > fenders and a rack on the rear (actually a $2 plastic basket tie > wrapped to a blackburn rack) that hauls my 20 lbs of text and > notebooks to school almost daily. I have ebeen riding this bike for > about 10 years now. Are you planning to tour on your Cannondale hybrid? I plan to tour on the Riv. > When you TRY to spend $4k on a bike you get a racing machine with all > the deficiencies you listed. So if someone is TRYING to spend $4k on > a bike and sees all the racers and thinks, "Gee, that ain't for me", > they start looking at Rivendells. If the goal is to spend $4k on a > bike, then get the Rivendell. If the goal is to get a bike that is > daily useable in the real world and accomodates larger tires, racks, > fenders, lights, water bottles, etc., then there is no need to spend > $4k. All the big bike makers make hybrid type machines in $500-600 > range. I don't want a hybrid. I want a classic road bike with touring capability and a drop bar. Why are you trying to compare the two? A touring bike and a hybrid are not the same. > As far as lugged frames go, the lugs are made by some bike frame parts > maker. The tubing is brazed in (essentially high temp soldering). > There isn't much art to brazing. I have done it and it is pretty > easy. The lugs on the frame suck the solder into the joint. It's a > whole lot harder to make a welded joint look pretty that a lugged > joint. The beauty of a lugged frame is the nice curly-Qs that they > put in to make it look fancy. Rivendell doesn't do that, the frame > parts maker does that. Sigh... You are entitled to your opinion. If nobody buys the lugs to build up frames, then the lug maker will go out of business, and there will be no more lugged frames. Builders tend to put their own touch on the lugs, anyway, filing them to suit their own aesthetic tastes. Take a look at the Waterford website to see what custom filed lugs look like. It's an art form, not that a smooth Cannondale-esque TIG weld isn't, but lugs just look better to my eyes. It's not about spending 4 grand. It's about buying something I find pleasing to the eye, and something I want. Thank you for your input, though.