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01-26-2007, 08:00 AM

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote:

>On Jan 24, 6:59 pm, Mark Hickey <m...@habcycles.com> wrote:
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:

>> >Can't really think of a general aviation A/C with liquid cooling tho.
>> >None of the ones I have flown, bunch of Cessnas from 150/2 thru the
>> >T-210. Military trainers, none were, T-34, T-28. Even WWll, except for
>> >the Merlin/Griffon types, most were aircooled radials.

>>Actually, quite a few of the new GA motors are water-cooled,
>> particularly those those that meet the new Sport Pilot specs (which
>> limits them to two seats among other things). The Rotax and Jabiru
>> engines are quite popular among those aircraft and homebuilts. Of
>> course, the ancient air-cooled opposed four and six motors are also
>> still being built and used in aircraft.
>
>But I put those A/C just a sliver above ultralights. These are the
>Nissan Versas of A/C, granted a GA person can fly them in less time and
>for less $, but they are so limited in what they can do...much less
>performance than even the lowly Cessna 152, which has little
>performance indeed.

'Tain't so, Peter. The aluminum spam cans (Cessna, Piper, etc.) are
known for being over-designed - especially those like the humble
Cessna 150 and 152 which were designed for ham-fisted low-hour pilots
to learn in.

Some of the new 2-seat LSAs will fly circles around the 152, in every
major respect. Here's a typical example - got a MUCH wider ****pit
than the cramped 152, lands and takes off in less space, has well over
double the range, burns less fuel, and "auto fuel" at that - not the
endangered and expensive 100LL - and cruises about 25-30mph faster...

http://www.sportaircraftworks.com/ot...ORTCRUISER.htm

There are others that are a bit more "svelte" that have higher cruise
speeds, and others that are designed around a particular parameter
(like STOL performance). But in general the new LSA are lighter,
stronger, faster and more comfortable than the spam cans they replace.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

01-26-2007, 08:00 AM	#135 (permalink)
Mark Hickey Guest Posts: n/a	Re: OT Interesting video "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote: >On Jan 24, 6:59 pm, Mark Hickey <m...@habcycles.com> wrote: >> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <p...@vecchios.com> wrote: >> >Can't really think of a general aviation A/C with liquid cooling tho. >> >None of the ones I have flown, bunch of Cessnas from 150/2 thru the >> >T-210. Military trainers, none were, T-34, T-28. Even WWll, except for >> >the Merlin/Griffon types, most were aircooled radials. >>Actually, quite a few of the new GA motors are water-cooled, >> particularly those those that meet the new Sport Pilot specs (which >> limits them to two seats among other things). The Rotax and Jabiru >> engines are quite popular among those aircraft and homebuilts. Of >> course, the ancient air-cooled opposed four and six motors are also >> still being built and used in aircraft. > >But I put those A/C just a sliver above ultralights. These are the >Nissan Versas of A/C, granted a GA person can fly them in less time and >for less $, but they are so limited in what they can do...much less >performance than even the lowly Cessna 152, which has little >performance indeed. 'Tain't so, Peter. The aluminum spam cans (Cessna, Piper, etc.) are known for being over-designed - especially those like the humble Cessna 150 and 152 which were designed for ham-fisted low-hour pilots to learn in. Some of the new 2-seat LSAs will fly circles around the 152, in every major respect. Here's a typical example - got a MUCH wider ****pit than the cramped 152, lands and takes off in less space, has well over double the range, burns less fuel, and "auto fuel" at that - not the endangered and expensive 100LL - and cruises about 25-30mph faster... http://www.sportaircraftworks.com/ot...ORTCRUISER.htm There are others that are a bit more "svelte" that have higher cruise speeds, and others that are designed around a particular parameter (like STOL performance). But in general the new LSA are lighter, stronger, faster and more comfortable than the spam cans they replace. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame