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02-02-2007, 10:45 AM

"Kristian M Zoerhoff" <kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 2007-02-01, Daryl Hunt <dhunt@colwestnospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> The real kicker is in the intent of the law. The S.1156 does quote a
>> NHTA
>> law showing it's exemption from being treated as a Motorized Vehicle.
>>
>> SEC. 2. MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS.
>>
>> For purposes of motor vehicle safety standards issued and enforced
>> pursuant to chapter 301 of title 49, United States Code, a low-speed
>> electric bicycle (as defined in section 38(b) of the Consumer Product
>> Safety
>> Act) shall not be considered a motor vehicle as defined by section
>> 30102(6)
>> of title 49, United States Co
>> Then we have to look at section 30102(6) of title 49. This is the
>> definitions by NHTA standards of what a Motorized Vehicle is. And
>> according
>> to S.1156, HR 727, Presidential Executive Order and the Consumer
>> Protection
>> Act, the low speed electric bike as define is exempt from 30102(6) of
>> title
>> 49 as a Motorized Vehicle.
>> You mighti wish to look at Title 49.
>>
>> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...2----000-.html
>
> I have looked at Title 49, and I stand by my claim that it doesn't pertain
> to operating or licensing of vehicles, only safety standards.
>
> That said, I'm not a lawyer. I don't believe that you're a lawyer, either.
> Thus, we might as well be arguing angels on the head of a pin. Eventually,
> things will settle out, due either to pressure from electric bike
> manufacturers, or from consumers, and the laws will (slowly) become more
> uniform.
>
> To take thisthread back to its origin, let ride organizers decide whether
> electric assist is allowed on their rides -- that's their right, at least
> for SAG'ing and timekeeping purposes.

Actually, I don't see a short (10 mile) ride being a problem with anyone for
both Electrics and Non Electrics. I do see a 100 mile run as more than a
little problem. 40 lbs or so of extra weight and it can only be done
smartly with a MB or a Cruiser, the 100 miles would not be done by anyone
other than a real fanatic.

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02-02-2007, 10:45 AM	#75 (permalink)
Daryl Hunt Guest Posts: n/a	Re: electric bikes on centuries "Kristian M Zoerhoff" <kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:E%Jwh.6056$zH1.4213@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t... > On 2007-02-01, Daryl Hunt <dhunt@colwestnospam.com> wrote: >> >> The real kicker is in the intent of the law. The S.1156 does quote a >> NHTA >> law showing it's exemption from being treated as a Motorized Vehicle. >> >> SEC. 2. MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS. >> >> For purposes of motor vehicle safety standards issued and enforced >> pursuant to chapter 301 of title 49, United States Code, a low-speed >> electric bicycle (as defined in section 38(b) of the Consumer Product >> Safety >> Act) shall not be considered a motor vehicle as defined by section >> 30102(6) >> of title 49, United States Co >> Then we have to look at section 30102(6) of title 49. This is the >> definitions by NHTA standards of what a Motorized Vehicle is. And >> according >> to S.1156, HR 727, Presidential Executive Order and the Consumer >> Protection >> Act, the low speed electric bike as define is exempt from 30102(6) of >> title >> 49 as a Motorized Vehicle. >> You mighti wish to look at Title 49. >> >> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...2----000-.html > > I have looked at Title 49, and I stand by my claim that it doesn't pertain > to operating or licensing of vehicles, only safety standards. > > That said, I'm not a lawyer. I don't believe that you're a lawyer, either. > Thus, we might as well be arguing angels on the head of a pin. Eventually, > things will settle out, due either to pressure from electric bike > manufacturers, or from consumers, and the laws will (slowly) become more > uniform. > > To take thisthread back to its origin, let ride organizers decide whether > electric assist is allowed on their rides -- that's their right, at least > for SAG'ing and timekeeping purposes. Actually, I don't see a short (10 mile) ride being a problem with anyone for both Electrics and Non Electrics. I do see a 100 mile run as more than a little problem. 40 lbs or so of extra weight and it can only be done smartly with a MB or a Cruiser, the 100 miles would not be done by anyone other than a real fanatic. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 391 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!