02-03-2007, 02:13 AM
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| Guest | Re: "Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong
On Sat, don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>Joe Fischer wrote in part:
>> And in the 1950s, in the midwest, 100 + F
>>was common, and I haven't seen 3 days of 100 F
>>in the last 16 years.
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> Where were you in mid-July 1995? Also, is past 16 years chosen to
>exclude 1991, which had some nasty heat?
Fort Knox.
> If you want past midwest heat, look at early July 1936, which was a high
>point of the "dust bowl" heatwaves.
Were they heat waves or local droughts? I remember
the 1930s very well, some of my fingers and fingernails are curved
and they are the ones that got frostbite in the cold winters.
>I think about 20 US states, mostly
>Plains-Midwest but also Pennsylvania have statewide alltime record highs
>from that single heatwave.
I only lived in the Pennsylvania during the 1970s,
and the last half was cold with lots of snow, they had
to fly Air Force snow blowers from Alaska to dig us
out, normal snow plows were useless.
> And farming techniques were since changed over hundreds of thousands of
>square miles of USA farmland to stop and reverse what appears to me
>desertifying of much of the Plains and Midwest due to the farming
>techniques of the 1930's and earlier. Some of the improvement took time -
>Illinois has its statewide alltime record high temperature in the late
>1950's IIRC, at East St. Louis.
The early 1950s was the only time I have seen
brick pavement upheave from heat, and those streets
were put in before 1930. (Cleveland)
> Meanwhile, yearround temperatures in the Plains/Midwest have shown a
>trend of getting warmer in the past decade or two, despite summer peaks
>not breaking the more spectacular dustbowl records.
Warmer than the 60s in the midwest for sure,
that entire decade was an average of 10 degrees
below normal, and now one degree is suppose to
scare people into giving up partial use of energy.
> Now, for Philadelphia: January 1932 was freakishly warm, possibly
>unbeatable even for the next 100 years. The alltime high for Philadelphia
>was from an early August day at a time back when the official thermometer
>was downtown - it's now close to a half-mile-wide river. Since the mid
>1980's there has been a trend of things getting warmer, despite lack of
>alltime July record high since 1964 or alltime August high since much
>farther back.
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
Austin in the 1980s was bad enough for me,
99 is almost a constant thing there in summer.
But the 50s in Cleveland and 1964 in Pasadena
were the two warmest spells I have seen.
But temperature alone does not cause the
big weather events, it takes both heat and a cold
source to cause big storms and cyclonics.
Joe Fischer
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