| Re: offering cash to dispute UN climate panel: report
Bernd Felsche wrote:
> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>>> On Feb 2, 4:37 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>
>>>> The belief in human caused global warming is being used to gain
>>>> more control over the population, to consolidate wealth, to end
>>>> any sort of freedom of the masses, and put the whole world in
>>>> the control of a small group of elites.
>
>>> I thought that was the job of Globalization.
>
>>>> I will believe that human caused global warming is a serious issue when
>>>> and only when, nations like China are forced to do something about it.
>>>> Right now, things like the Kyoto treaty are designed simply to relocate
>>>> manufacturing from places where there _ARE_ environmental protections to
>>>> places where there are practically _NONE_. They expect us to believe that
>>>> CO2 released in Ohio is bad, but CO2 released in Tianjin is of no
>>>> concern. Not to mention all the pollution controls that are required in
>>>> Ohio, the limits, the regulations, all to keep the environment cleaner
>>>> but simply don't exist in other places in the world like China.
>
>>> It's not Kyoto, but America that is feeding China. Go to Walmart or
>>> the Dollar Store if you don't believe me.
>
>> Bingo.
>> Hit the nail right on the head. Bush can praise our 'progress' while we
>> are supporting a Communist country that could care less about pollution.
>> Meanwhile they are taking away our jobs while they do their thing, which
>> seems to be taking our money.
>
> This is not just consumer-driven. It's also market-driven and an
> ethical issue... beyond CO2 etc, but of the value of work.
>
> Put it this way; if you value your own work at $2/day, then feel
> free to buy products from a nation where that is the "standard" wage.
> However, don't begrudge the people of those countries the fruits of
> their labour. Fair prices need to be fair to all. That provides the
> greatest incentive and freedom of choice across the range.
>
> I know of no economic or political system that can impose the
> necessary balance. Historically; systems that try to impose fairness
> become corrupt.
>
> Consumer education is important; giving them sufficient information
> on what they are buying, how it is made and who really makes the
> money from the products that they buy. Only then can a choice based
> on equity be made.
Agreed.
The average consumer will often buy based on price alone with no regard
of where the product came from. The problem is that as long as Joe
consumer has a job, he doesn't care that by buying from another country
his is taking his neighbor's job. Then a few years later he gets the
dreaded 'pink slip' and wonders what happened.
What goes around comes around.
All of my older stuff, bicycles included came from either the U.S. or
Japan, depending on what market and how old. I remember shopping with a
friend as a kid around 1959 and the store had what we called a "Japanese
junk" section.
At that time a foreign car meant European and a foreign motorcycle meant
a BSA or Triumph.
Fast forward and the companies have folded and the people and skills
have gone too.
Progress?
Maybe for the Chinese, but not for us.
Suddenly the biggest polluter is also the biggest producer.
If we didn't buy from China we would be crippled at this point, and the
politicians don't mention the obvious fact that getting our
manufacturing base back is at least as important as the oil issue.
Too big a subject for this group, and way off the mark for bicycles, so,
umm, later.
Bill Baka
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