| Re: offering cash to dispute UN climate panel: report
Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote
> Bernd Felsche wrote
>> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes
>>> donquijote1954 wrote
>>>> tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote
>>>>> The belief in human caused global warming is being used to gain more control over the
>>>>> population, to consolidate wealth, to end any sort of freedom of the masses, and put the whole
>>>>> world in the control of a small group of elites.
Just another utterly mindless conspiracy theory.
While ever you get to give the bums the bums rush at
the ballot box, no 'elite' can do a damned thing about that.
>>>> I thought that was the job of Globalization.
>>>>> I will believe that human caused global warming is a serious issue when and only when, nations
>>>>> like China are forced to do something about it.
Which wont be any century soon.
>>>>> Right now, things like the Kyoto treaty are designed simply to relocate manufacturing from
>>>>> places where there _ARE_ environmental protections to places where there are practically
>>>>> _NONE_.
Just another utterly mindless conspiracy theory.
Kyoto doesnt have a damned thing to do with the location
of manufacturing, or 'environmental protections' either.
>>>>> They expect us to believe that CO2 released in Ohio is bad, but CO2 released in Tianjin is of
>>>>> no concern.
Just another utterly mindless conspiracy theory.
>>>>> Not to mention all the pollution controls that are required in Ohio,
>>>>> the limits, the regulations, all to keep the environment cleaner
>>>>> but simply don't exist in other places in the world like China.
That is just plain wrong.
>>>> It's not Kyoto, but America that is feeding China. Go to Walmart or the Dollar Store if you
>>>> don't believe me.
>>> Bingo.
>>> Hit the nail right on the head. Bush can praise our 'progress' while we are supporting a
>>> Communist country that could care less about pollution.
They care about pollution and are doing something about that too.
>>> Meanwhile they are taking away our jobs while they
>>> do their thing, which seems to be taking our money.
And with a 5% unemployment rate, there is no shortage of jobs.
>> This is not just consumer-driven. It's also market-driven and an ethical issue... beyond CO2 etc,
>> but of the value of work.
Nope.
>> Put it this way; if you value your own work at $2/day, then feel
>> free to buy products from a nation where that is the "standard" wage. However, don't begrudge the
>> people of those countries the fruits of their labour. Fair prices
No such animal.
>> need to be fair to all.
Not even possible.
>> That provides the greatest incentive and freedom of choice across the range.
Pigs arse it does.
>> I know of no economic or political system that can impose the necessary balance. Historically;
>> systems that try to impose fairness become corrupt.
There is no such animal as 'fairness' in that area.
>> Consumer education is important;
Nope.
>> giving them sufficient information on what they are buying, how it is made and who really makes
>> the money from the products that they buy.
They dont care.
>> Only then can a choice based on equity be made.
They dont care about that either.
> Agreed.
More fool you.
> The average consumer will often buy based on price alone with no regard of where the product came
> from.
Yep, they couldnt care less about that mindless silly crap above.
> The problem is that as long as Joe consumer has a job, he doesn't care that by buying from another
> country his is taking his neighbor's job.
And when there is an unemployment rate of 5%, there
is no problem with his neighbour getting another job.
> Then a few years later he gets the dreaded 'pink slip' and wonders what happened.
Fantasy. There are so few working in manufacturing now that that aint gunna
happen when the average consumer buys goods made outside its country.
> What goes around comes around.
Mindless silly stuff.
> All of my older stuff, bicycles included came from either the U.S. or Japan, depending on what
> market and how old.
And then the world moved on.
> I remember shopping with a friend as a kid around 1959 and the store had what we called a
> "Japanese junk" section.
And then the world moved on.
> At that time a foreign car meant European and a foreign motorcycle meant a BSA or Triumph.
And they were junk.
> Fast forward and the companies have folded and the people and skills have gone too.
And the country that made them STILL has an unemployment
rate that aint much above 5% ANYWAY and they have let
hordes of immigrants into their country since then too.
> Progress?
> Maybe for the Chinese, but not for us.
Wrong, as always. Those consumers get MUCH cheaper goods, stupid.
And they get to export the pollution thats involved in that manufacture too.
> Suddenly the biggest polluter is also the biggest producer.
Who cares when they are polluting their own country ?
> If we didn't buy from China we would be crippled at this point,
Yep, and that sort of utterly mindless protectionism never works anyway.
> and the politicians don't mention the obvious fact that getting our
> manufacturing base back is at least as important as the oil issue.
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland.
The US still does plenty of manufacturing in other areas, most
obviously with software, and you get to like it or lump it anyway.
> Too big a subject for this group, and way off the mark for bicycles, so, umm, later.
No it isnt, very relevant to where bikes are made.
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