| Re: offering cash to dispute UN climate panel: report
In article <mbn9s2dgjiqh7q294of2qejljn4nh9mll7@4ax.com>, Mark Hickey wrote:
>don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
>>In article <umn7s2luifpo0gb0495v36k023tkj4h8f3@4ax.com>, Mark Hickey wrote:
>>>tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>>
>>>>But it isn't about the environment, it's about power, control, and
>>>>wealth.
>>>
>>>Couldn't agree more. And that applies at the individual level as well
>>>- look at the funding spent on pro-global warming, and then contrast
>>>the money spent on contrarian studies. No contest - you simply can't
>>>get rich telling people that there's no lurking invisible monster
>>>about to eat the earth, it seems.
>>
>> Oh, those that make money in ways threatened by addressing of global
>>warming sure have a lot to lose and are putting money into generation of
>>data or "data" that we don't have a problem! For one example, I remember
>>something maybe about a decade ago by a major oil company saying how the
>>temperature has not significantly warmed at some level a few miles aloft,
>>which I expect to not warm up as much as the surface and lowest couple
>>miles of the atmosphere would as a result of adding "greenhouse gases".
>
>I believe what you're talking about was the NOAA data that was used to
>exclude the urban heat centers (relying on mid-level atmospheric
>temperatures, which would obviously also have to go up in the event
>there was a true global warming scenario underway). The fact that the
>alarmists have to use selective and incomplete data to support their
>claims tells you all you really need to know. The fact they've
>singled out CO2 as the culprit just shows that they count on the
>masses not having done any reading on the subject (which is probably a
>safe assumption).
Keep in mind that there is a widely-mentioned level of the atmosphere
known as the "500 millibar level", and worldwide average sea level
pressure is about 1012 millibars.
The 500 millibar level is therefore above roughly half this planet's
atmosphere by mass and above about half this planet's CO2, and above a
much bigger majority of this planet's water vapor which is a greenhouse
gas that is a positive feedback mechanism for global warming.
The "500 millibar level" is generally close to or a little over 5
kilometers or generally between/around 3.1 and 3.5 miles above sea level.
Also, thermal-infrared-absorbing "greenhouse gases" would experience
more radiational cooling than other atmosphere components would. Given
CO2 and "greenhouse gases in general" having higher absorption/emissivity
at longer IR wavelengths where solar spectral content is low and low
absorption at wavelengths where the solar spectrum is more significant,
"greenhouse gases" would have some tendency to actually cool the upper
atmosphere (maybe mainly as low as merely a few or several miles above the
"500 millibar level") while also making the surface warmer by adding
thermal radiation (longer infrared wavelengths generally ballpark 10 to
dozens of micrometers) to the scene, half of which is towards the surface.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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