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02-04-2007, 09:00 PM

In article <MPG.2030148c75c3dedb98970e@newsgroups.comcast.net >,
josh@phred.org wrote:
>In article <52n0hjF1p159oU1@mid.individual.net>, rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
>says...
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+xp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Wayne Pein wrote:
>> >> Don Klipstein wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> What I see as the best use of bike racks on buses is for getting
>> >>> bike users through bike-unfriendly bridges, also a few tunnels that
>> >>> I think are no better for bikes than plenty of bridges!
>> >>
>> >> There is no such thing as a bike unfriendly bridge or road. It's
>> >> people who are friendly or unfriendly, and they choose be either way.
>> >
>> > I don't think that's true. To accommodate more and more traffic, a
>> > number of roads have been widened just enough to provide two lanes of
>> > traffic each way with NO additional space between the cars and the
>> > curb. No matter how friendly a driver might be, there isn't enough
>> > space to pass a bicyclist without moving into the next lane, which is
>> > probably already occupied by a car. This is dangerous for everybody,
>> > and most bicyclists stay off such roads.
>>
>> And they are banned on any sensibly organised freeway etc.
>
>Which makes the half of the U.S. that allows bicycles on Interstates
>less than sensible, even though the accident rate is neglible?

Sounds to me that you are considering shoulders. One hazard to cyclists
there is passing cars stopped on the shoulder (easy enough to do by
walking the bike around such cars to the right). Another hazard to
cyclists is cars that just developed emergencies requiring them to pull
out of the traffic onto the shoulder if a shoulder is available - and
drivers handling such emergencies may not be looking out too well for
cyclists on the shoulder. Thirdly, the shoulder does not exist everywhere
- and is lacking on many bridges!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

02-04-2007, 09:00 PM	#189 (permalink)
Don Klipstein Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Buses with racks go a long way In article <MPG.2030148c75c3dedb98970e@newsgroups.comcast.net >, josh@phred.org wrote: >In article <52n0hjF1p159oU1@mid.individual.net>, rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com >says... >> The Real Bev <bashley101+xp@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Wayne Pein wrote: >> >> Don Klipstein wrote: >> >> >> >>> What I see as the best use of bike racks on buses is for getting >> >>> bike users through bike-unfriendly bridges, also a few tunnels that >> >>> I think are no better for bikes than plenty of bridges! >> >> >> >> There is no such thing as a bike unfriendly bridge or road. It's >> >> people who are friendly or unfriendly, and they choose be either way. >> > >> > I don't think that's true. To accommodate more and more traffic, a >> > number of roads have been widened just enough to provide two lanes of >> > traffic each way with NO additional space between the cars and the >> > curb. No matter how friendly a driver might be, there isn't enough >> > space to pass a bicyclist without moving into the next lane, which is >> > probably already occupied by a car. This is dangerous for everybody, >> > and most bicyclists stay off such roads. >> >> And they are banned on any sensibly organised freeway etc. > >Which makes the half of the U.S. that allows bicycles on Interstates >less than sensible, even though the accident rate is neglible? Sounds to me that you are considering shoulders. One hazard to cyclists there is passing cars stopped on the shoulder (easy enough to do by walking the bike around such cars to the right). Another hazard to cyclists is cars that just developed emergencies requiring them to pull out of the traffic onto the shoulder if a shoulder is available - and drivers handling such emergencies may not be looking out too well for cyclists on the shoulder. Thirdly, the shoulder does not exist everywhere - and is lacking on many bridges! - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)