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11-20-2006, 08:38 AM

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:43:07 GMT, "Andy H" <anywhere@nowhere.baby.com>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:4cbvl2doqatdhib94e3bts5l3fgksn4r9a@4ax.com.. .
>> Careful! Mountain bikers really HATE hearing the truth....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> From: Linda <redrufffox@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:31:57 -0800
>> Subject: Re: Harvey Manning/Trainers
>>
>> I find it counterproductive that some members here seem to participate
>> in
>> the very "attitude poisoning" you're talking about in regards to the
>> hikers
>> and wilderness preservationists. To me, spewing such nastiness makes
>> me
>> leery of joining any advocacy efforts if those are the attitudes of
>> the primary representatives.
>>
>> On 11/16/06, art bbtc <bbtcart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>Yeah the guy was gunning for mt bikers but give him the credit he is
>>> due. From everything I've heard and read in the past he IS the reason
>>> why there is a Cougar Mt (and Squak)<<
>>>
>>> Yes, Harvey accomplished a lot in regards to preservation and trails
>>> and I'll give him some credit for that. But, think how much more he
>>> could have accomplished if instead of alienating other user groups
>>> with his selfish and hateful agenda he had sought to work together.
>>>
>>> We (BBTC) spent the 80's trying to stem the loss of trail access; we
>>> spent the 90's trying to stay even and rebuild our image; we've spent
>>> most of this decade struggling to build new trail.
>>>
>>> What if Harvey had acknowledged that this new user group was just as
>>> passionate as he to preserve nature and given us a hand up rather than
>>> demonizing us with his endless vitriolic diatribes?
>>>
>>> How much more could user groups have worked together without his
>>> attitude poisoning the spirit of cooperation? How many more encounters
>>> on the trails would have been pleasant interactions instead of a
>>> scowl? And how many more trails would be enabling the next generation
>>> of mountain bikers to develop a love for our mountains and trees and a
>>> passion to preserve that experience.
>>>
>>> Yes Harvey accomplished a lot, but when a full accounting is made he
>>> comes up way short.
>>>
>>> -Art
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>Linda seems to be talking about YOU.
>
>"attitude poisoning" - Check
>"spewing nastiness" - Check
>
>IT IS you she's talking about. Foot, shot I think.

BS. I just tell the truth. That's neither positive nor negative. It
just IS.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

11-20-2006, 08:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mike Vandeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Mountain Bikers Really HATE Hearing the Truth! On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:43:07 GMT, "Andy H" <anywhere@nowhere.baby.com> wrote: > >"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message >news:4cbvl2doqatdhib94e3bts5l3fgksn4r9a@4ax.com.. . >> Careful! Mountain bikers really HATE hearing the truth.... >> >> Mike >> >> >> From: Linda <redrufffox@gmail.com> >> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:31:57 -0800 >> Subject: Re: Harvey Manning/Trainers >> >> I find it counterproductive that some members here seem to participate >> in >> the very "attitude poisoning" you're talking about in regards to the >> hikers >> and wilderness preservationists. To me, spewing such nastiness makes >> me >> leery of joining any advocacy efforts if those are the attitudes of >> the primary representatives. >> >> On 11/16/06, art bbtc <bbtcart@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>Yeah the guy was gunning for mt bikers but give him the credit he is >>> due. From everything I've heard and read in the past he IS the reason >>> why there is a Cougar Mt (and Squak)<< >>> >>> Yes, Harvey accomplished a lot in regards to preservation and trails >>> and I'll give him some credit for that. But, think how much more he >>> could have accomplished if instead of alienating other user groups >>> with his selfish and hateful agenda he had sought to work together. >>> >>> We (BBTC) spent the 80's trying to stem the loss of trail access; we >>> spent the 90's trying to stay even and rebuild our image; we've spent >>> most of this decade struggling to build new trail. >>> >>> What if Harvey had acknowledged that this new user group was just as >>> passionate as he to preserve nature and given us a hand up rather than >>> demonizing us with his endless vitriolic diatribes? >>> >>> How much more could user groups have worked together without his >>> attitude poisoning the spirit of cooperation? How many more encounters >>> on the trails would have been pleasant interactions instead of a >>> scowl? And how many more trails would be enabling the next generation >>> of mountain bikers to develop a love for our mountains and trees and a >>> passion to preserve that experience. >>> >>> Yes Harvey accomplished a lot, but when a full accounting is made he >>> comes up way short. >>> >>> -Art >> === >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) >> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are >> fond of! >> >> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande > >Linda seems to be talking about YOU. > >"attitude poisoning" - Check >"spewing nastiness" - Check > >IT IS you she's talking about. Foot, shot I think. BS. I just tell the truth. That's neither positive nor negative. It just IS. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande