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11-21-2006, 08:47 AM

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:50:52 GMT, "Andy H" <anywhere@nowhere.baby.com>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:jem3m2dfg200a1mgdabtfkkh3tkkmkui08@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:43:07 GMT, "Andy H" <anywhere@nowhere.baby.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4cbvl2doqatdhib94e3bts5l3fgksn4r9a@4ax.com ...
>>>> Careful! Mountain bikers really HATE hearing the truth....
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Linda <redrufffox@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:31:57 -0800
>>>> Subject: Re: Harvey Manning/Trainers
>>>>
>>>> I find it counterproductive that some members here seem to participate
>>>> in
>>>> the very "attitude poisoning" you're talking about in regards to the
>>>> hikers
>>>> and wilderness preservationists. To me, spewing such nastiness makes
>>>> me
>>>> leery of joining any advocacy efforts if those are the attitudes of
>>>> the primary representatives.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/06, art bbtc <bbtcart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>Yeah the guy was gunning for mt bikers but give him the credit he is
>>>>> due. From everything I've heard and read in the past he IS the reason
>>>>> why there is a Cougar Mt (and Squak)<<
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Harvey accomplished a lot in regards to preservation and trails
>>>>> and I'll give him some credit for that. But, think how much more he
>>>>> could have accomplished if instead of alienating other user groups
>>>>> with his selfish and hateful agenda he had sought to work together.
>>>>>
>>>>> We (BBTC) spent the 80's trying to stem the loss of trail access; we
>>>>> spent the 90's trying to stay even and rebuild our image; we've spent
>>>>> most of this decade struggling to build new trail.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if Harvey had acknowledged that this new user group was just as
>>>>> passionate as he to preserve nature and given us a hand up rather than
>>>>> demonizing us with his endless vitriolic diatribes?
>>>>>
>>>>> How much more could user groups have worked together without his
>>>>> attitude poisoning the spirit of cooperation? How many more encounters
>>>>> on the trails would have been pleasant interactions instead of a
>>>>> scowl? And how many more trails would be enabling the next generation
>>>>> of mountain bikers to develop a love for our mountains and trees and a
>>>>> passion to preserve that experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes Harvey accomplished a lot, but when a full accounting is made he
>>>>> comes up way short.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Art
>>>> ===
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>>>> fond of!
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>
>>>Linda seems to be talking about YOU.
>>>
>>>"attitude poisoning" - Check
>>>"spewing nastiness" - Check
>>>
>>>IT IS you she's talking about. Foot, shot I think.
>>
>> BS. I just tell the truth. That's neither positive nor negative. It
>> just IS.
>
>BS yourself, you wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the face,
>you're so full of piss and anger it makes me wonder what happened in your
>past, where you abused as a child?
>
>You seriously need therapy for that anger projection thing you got going on,
>but I feel as you fade into your later years that it's probably too late for
>it to do any good.

Anger is the only appropriate response to the destruction of the
environment.

>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

11-21-2006, 08:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mike Vandeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Mountain Bikers Really HATE Hearing the Truth! On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:50:52 GMT, "Andy H" <anywhere@nowhere.baby.com> wrote: > >"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message >news:jem3m2dfg200a1mgdabtfkkh3tkkmkui08@4ax.com.. . >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:43:07 GMT, "Andy H" <anywhere@nowhere.baby.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message >>>news:4cbvl2doqatdhib94e3bts5l3fgksn4r9a@4ax.com ... >>>> Careful! Mountain bikers really HATE hearing the truth.... >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Linda <redrufffox@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:31:57 -0800 >>>> Subject: Re: Harvey Manning/Trainers >>>> >>>> I find it counterproductive that some members here seem to participate >>>> in >>>> the very "attitude poisoning" you're talking about in regards to the >>>> hikers >>>> and wilderness preservationists. To me, spewing such nastiness makes >>>> me >>>> leery of joining any advocacy efforts if those are the attitudes of >>>> the primary representatives. >>>> >>>> On 11/16/06, art bbtc <bbtcart@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>Yeah the guy was gunning for mt bikers but give him the credit he is >>>>> due. From everything I've heard and read in the past he IS the reason >>>>> why there is a Cougar Mt (and Squak)<< >>>>> >>>>> Yes, Harvey accomplished a lot in regards to preservation and trails >>>>> and I'll give him some credit for that. But, think how much more he >>>>> could have accomplished if instead of alienating other user groups >>>>> with his selfish and hateful agenda he had sought to work together. >>>>> >>>>> We (BBTC) spent the 80's trying to stem the loss of trail access; we >>>>> spent the 90's trying to stay even and rebuild our image; we've spent >>>>> most of this decade struggling to build new trail. >>>>> >>>>> What if Harvey had acknowledged that this new user group was just as >>>>> passionate as he to preserve nature and given us a hand up rather than >>>>> demonizing us with his endless vitriolic diatribes? >>>>> >>>>> How much more could user groups have worked together without his >>>>> attitude poisoning the spirit of cooperation? How many more encounters >>>>> on the trails would have been pleasant interactions instead of a >>>>> scowl? And how many more trails would be enabling the next generation >>>>> of mountain bikers to develop a love for our mountains and trees and a >>>>> passion to preserve that experience. >>>>> >>>>> Yes Harvey accomplished a lot, but when a full accounting is made he >>>>> comes up way short. >>>>> >>>>> -Art >>>> === >>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to >>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 >>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) >>>> >>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are >>>> fond of! >>>> >>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande >>> >>>Linda seems to be talking about YOU. >>> >>>"attitude poisoning" - Check >>>"spewing nastiness" - Check >>> >>>IT IS you she's talking about. Foot, shot I think. >> >> BS. I just tell the truth. That's neither positive nor negative. It >> just IS. > >BS yourself, you wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the face, >you're so full of piss and anger it makes me wonder what happened in your >past, where you abused as a child? > >You seriously need therapy for that anger projection thing you got going on, >but I feel as you fade into your later years that it's probably too late for >it to do any good. Anger is the only appropriate response to the destruction of the environment. >> === >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) >> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are >> fond of! >> >> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande > === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande