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11-27-2006, 08:39 AM

On 27 Nov 2006 14:01:47 GMT, Chris Foster
<john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>news:viu8m2lvihvh8s9ooen19n6d2o9msd92rh@4ax.com :
>
>> On 21 Nov 2006 15:11:47 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>S Curtiss wrote:
>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:73b6m2dr0s476i9qo7r1q2j7ttmqlul1ou@4ax.com...
>>>> > On 19 Nov 2006 11:16:06 -0800, "Ed Pirrero"
>>>> > <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>S Curtiss wrote:
>>>> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > WHY? I have yet to hear even ONE good reason for allowing
>>>> >>> > bikes off of pavement.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You have yet to ACKNOWLEDGE good reasons.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Ding! We have a winner.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Really, only one reason need be espoused: because I want to, and
>>>> >>am able to.
>>>> >
>>>> > You didn't read the question. I was asking for " ONE good reason
>>>> > for allowing bikes off of pavement." NOT why YOU should ride. Why
>>>> > someone else should LET you ride off-road. NOW answer the
>>>> > question. "Because YOU like it" is not a good reason for a LAND
>>>> > MANAGER to allow you to do it. Otherwise. that same reason would
>>>> > allow people to grow marijuana on public lands.
>>>> >
>>>> Your failure to grasp reality is at the center of the issue. As long
>>>> as you continue to insist your views and definitions are the only
>>>> acceptable options, you will continue to be looked at as on a fool's
>>>> errand.
>>>
>>>And he fails to grasp that the reality is that the good reasons are
>>>that MTBers, by real, verifiable research, don't leave any bigger
>>>footprint in nature than hikers.
>>
>> That's a LIE. That's why you didn't cite any such "research": there
>> isn't any!
>
>
>Have you ever heard of Google? DUH!

Google won't help you, as demonstrated by the fact that you were
unable to cite any such research. As usual.

>> And since the reality is that nobody
>>>is going to ban hikers, bikers (and their bikes) will continue to have
>>>access. The activity is growing, and reality matches that growth -
>>>more access to more places. Including National Parks!
>>>
>>>I don't think MJV would allow any sort of recreation in any area, if
>>>it were up to him. On foot, on bike, on horseback - none of it. So
>>>his opinion of what constitutes a "good reason" for allowing any of
>>>these things is essentially singular, and of no importance.
>>>
>>>E.P.
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
>> are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

11-27-2006, 08:39 AM	#24 (permalink)
Mike Vandeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Last Child in the Woods -- Saving Our Children from Nature-Deficit Disorder On 27 Nov 2006 14:01:47 GMT, Chris Foster <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote: >Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in >news:viu8m2lvihvh8s9ooen19n6d2o9msd92rh@4ax.com : > >> On 21 Nov 2006 15:11:47 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>S Curtiss wrote: >>>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message >>>> news:73b6m2dr0s476i9qo7r1q2j7ttmqlul1ou@4ax.com... >>>> > On 19 Nov 2006 11:16:06 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" >>>> > <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >>S Curtiss wrote: >>>> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > WHY? I have yet to hear even ONE good reason for allowing >>>> >>> > bikes off of pavement. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> You have yet to ACKNOWLEDGE good reasons. >>>> >> >>>> >>Ding! We have a winner. >>>> >> >>>> >>Really, only one reason need be espoused: because I want to, and >>>> >>am able to. >>>> > >>>> > You didn't read the question. I was asking for " ONE good reason >>>> > for allowing bikes off of pavement." NOT why YOU should ride. Why >>>> > someone else should LET you ride off-road. NOW answer the >>>> > question. "Because YOU like it" is not a good reason for a LAND >>>> > MANAGER to allow you to do it. Otherwise. that same reason would >>>> > allow people to grow marijuana on public lands. >>>> > >>>> Your failure to grasp reality is at the center of the issue. As long >>>> as you continue to insist your views and definitions are the only >>>> acceptable options, you will continue to be looked at as on a fool's >>>> errand. >>> >>>And he fails to grasp that the reality is that the good reasons are >>>that MTBers, by real, verifiable research, don't leave any bigger >>>footprint in nature than hikers. >> >> That's a LIE. That's why you didn't cite any such "research": there >> isn't any! > > >Have you ever heard of Google? DUH! Google won't help you, as demonstrated by the fact that you were unable to cite any such research. As usual. >> And since the reality is that nobody >>>is going to ban hikers, bikers (and their bikes) will continue to have >>>access. The activity is growing, and reality matches that growth - >>>more access to more places. Including National Parks! >>> >>>I don't think MJV would allow any sort of recreation in any area, if >>>it were up to him. On foot, on bike, on horseback - none of it. So >>>his opinion of what constitutes a "good reason" for allowing any of >>>these things is essentially singular, and of no importance. >>> >>>E.P. >> === >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) >> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you >> are fond of! >> >> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande >> === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande