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02-06-2007, 08:16 AM

On Feb 5, 3:16 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Certainly much of the forests in western europe are now gone,
> and western europe manages fine without them anyway.

Depends where you cut trees down. Europe is a wet climate but in most
other places you get desertification...

"Current desertification is taking place much faster worldwide than
historically and usually arises from the demands of increased
populations that settle on the land in order to grow crops and graze
animals."

(awesome picture)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification

Well, here in America you probably build malls and parking lots to
accomodate the SUVs for the happy consumers of products made in
China.
> > What are we willing to do to mitigate that possibility?
>
> It makes absolutely no sense to cripple the world's economys
> for something that isnt going to happen like that mindless claim
> about 'possible destruction of human existence'

We cripple Big Oil and promote Natural Capitalism, what's the big deal
about it?

"Natural Capitalism is so informative and provocative-and so
unfashionably optimistic about the future of the planet-that I wonder
why everyone in public life is not reading it and arguing over the
implications. The President did volunteer a nice plug for the book
when it came out a few months ago, but it has yet to be reviewed by
virtually any leading publication. Literary culture doesn't grasp the
high drama of industrial engineering. Newspaper editors, like other
Americans, are transfixed by business stories about moguls and
supermoguls from this gilded age and the previous one.

"The book will find its audience, regardless. It is that important.
The authors are setting out a boldly different framework for
understanding the ecological crisis.... This perspective has something
to offend nearly everyone: Business interests will choke on the
apocalyptic description of the earth in crisis but may be flattered by
the suggestion that they have the means to solve it. Most
environmentalists agree on the vast dimensions of the threat to nature
but may dismiss the authors' can-do optimism as dangerously naive. I
have particular doubts of my own. Nevertheless, Natural Capitalism
poses an intelligent challenge to lazy assumptions on both sides of
the political divide and ought to jump-start a reinvigorated
environmental debate." -William Greider

http://www.natcap.org/

> Even the dutch managed to work out how to do something about sea levels.

They also learned that the bicycle is the smart way to go.

02-06-2007, 08:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
donquijote1954 Posts: n/a	the bicycle is the smart way to go On Feb 5, 3:16 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote: > Certainly much of the forests in western europe are now gone, > and western europe manages fine without them anyway. Depends where you cut trees down. Europe is a wet climate but in most other places you get desertification... "Current desertification is taking place much faster worldwide than historically and usually arises from the demands of increased populations that settle on the land in order to grow crops and graze animals." (awesome picture) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification Well, here in America you probably build malls and parking lots to accomodate the SUVs for the happy consumers of products made in China. > > What are we willing to do to mitigate that possibility? > > It makes absolutely no sense to cripple the world's economys > for something that isnt going to happen like that mindless claim > about 'possible destruction of human existence' We cripple Big Oil and promote Natural Capitalism, what's the big deal about it? "Natural Capitalism is so informative and provocative-and so unfashionably optimistic about the future of the planet-that I wonder why everyone in public life is not reading it and arguing over the implications. The President did volunteer a nice plug for the book when it came out a few months ago, but it has yet to be reviewed by virtually any leading publication. Literary culture doesn't grasp the high drama of industrial engineering. Newspaper editors, like other Americans, are transfixed by business stories about moguls and supermoguls from this gilded age and the previous one. "The book will find its audience, regardless. It is that important. The authors are setting out a boldly different framework for understanding the ecological crisis.... This perspective has something to offend nearly everyone: Business interests will choke on the apocalyptic description of the earth in crisis but may be flattered by the suggestion that they have the means to solve it. Most environmentalists agree on the vast dimensions of the threat to nature but may dismiss the authors' can-do optimism as dangerously naive. I have particular doubts of my own. Nevertheless, Natural Capitalism poses an intelligent challenge to lazy assumptions on both sides of the political divide and ought to jump-start a reinvigorated environmental debate." -William Greider http://www.natcap.org/ > Even the dutch managed to work out how to do something about sea levels. They also learned that the bicycle is the smart way to go.