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Old 02-08-2007, 09:31 AM   #484 (permalink)
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Re: Why are SUVs and Christianity similar?

>>>>> The Pope is just the figurehead of the church and does not make >>>>>
>>>>> many decisions. It is the Cardinals that tell the Pope what to say. >
>>>>> >>>> IIRC, the church still says he and his rulings are perfect and
>>>>> must be followed. > > It doesnt even say that. Only a microscopic
>>>>> subset > of his pontifications are even claimed to be infallible.


So any priest anywhere can stand up and say that the Pope is full of hot air
on his rulings on homosexuals and letting women be priest and still keep his
post in the church? Sorry don't think so.

>>> Its much more complicated than that, most obviously when the rulings
>>> change over time. > >> Not really, > > Corse it is.


Not the basic rules. But my point is even if the rules do change what does
it matter if you ain't following them go begin with?

>> you have rules and if you are a true <insert something here> you follow
>> the rules. > > Its nothing like as black and white as that mindlessly
>> superficial line.


Sure it is. If you don't believe and follow the rules then you shouldn't
claim to be a member of the group. Just because I eat pork or beef every
meal does that mean I'm not a vegetarian!! OF COURSE IT DOES. It doesn't
matter how many times I tell you "I'm a vegetarian." if I don't follow the
rules and eat meat I am NOT a vegetarian NO MATTER how often I say I am.

I can claim to be a Christian but if I screw around on my wife and rob banks
for a living am I a Christian? Nope. Therefore you saying that Christians
screw around on their wife's and rob banks is foolish.

> A hell of a lot of what protestantism is about isnt about 'rules'


Such as?

>>>> Heck most of the Catholics I know don't even follow their own rules. >
>>>> >>> And you don't 'think' that the church isnt well aware of that ? >
>>>> >> Seems they don't care as long as they keep getting money from the
>>>> non-Catholic Catholics. > > It aint primarily about money.


Then explain to me why the non-Catholic Catholics are not tossed out of the
church? Why do they allow women who the priest KNOW have screwed around and
had abortions to be married "in the church".

>> In a lot of cases it has become a joke, allowing 30 year marriages with 5
>> kids to be annulled so >> someone can get married 'in the church' but not
>> allowing divorce. > > Sure, but thats got nothing to do with money.


Hockey Pucks! If it ain't about the money then what is it about?

> Plenty of examples of that with protestants too, > most obviously with the
> execution of abortionists.


Give me plenty of examples then. The weak one you gave fails on three
reasons. 1) you can't show me one church that calls for that; 2) check out
what I have been telling you, just because someone calls himself a Christian
doesn't mean he is; 3) abortionist are not being killed day in and day out.

>>>>> You missed 60's and love, love, love. > >>>> Still a lot of hate
>>>>> there. > >>> Just another of your silly little fantasys. > >> Really?
>>>>> > > Yep. > >> Weren't there several lynchings in the 60's? > > Not by
>>>>> those spewing that love ****.


So you admit that there were lynchings in the 60's and there was still a lot
of hate. Using your logic we don't have any hate now because there are those
"spewing that love ****." >

>> How many military people did you hug and say you loved in the 60's? > >
>> Never been into stupid stuff like that.


And yet you claim that my stating there was hate in the 60's was "Just
another of your silly little fantasys."

>> Yeah, I guess I'm just fantasizing all that. > > Or havent got a clue
>> about what was being discussed.


You seem to be the one unable to follow the topic at hand. >

>>>> Racist have a lot of love, as long as you are the right color. > >>>
>>>> Most of them don't. > >> Sure they do, just read their literature on
>>>> how much they love themselves. > > Pathetic.


Another thing you and they have in common.

>>>>> Actually, I wish it were that simple, but it is not. >>>>> What
>>>>> exactly is Iraq, a holy war, an anti-terrorist war, or an oil war?? >
>>>>> >>>> All. > >>> Nope, it aint a holy war for starters. > >> Tell that
>>>>> to the Sunnis who are killing the Shiite or the Shiite who are killing
>>>>> the Sunnies > > That aint a holy war.


Let's see, they are killing each other because of difference in religion but
you don't call that a holy war. Just how do you define a holy war?

>> or others who believe they have to kill the infidels. > > There are ****
>> all of those too.


I give up what does that even mean?

>>>> The terrorists are using false religious teachings to recruit people
>>>> for a 'holy war' for >>>> control of the oil and the money it brings. >
>>>> >>> Have fun explaining the terrorists from countrys that have no oil.
>>>> > >> Frist off there's no need. We are talking about why the terrorist
>>>> want control of Iraq. > > No we arent.


Try to stay on topic. Not editing so much might help, although I doubt it
because you are losing the debate. The point you are responding to is the
fact that terrorist need money and oil is a good way to get it. You tried to
change the topic to terrorist from countries w/o oil.

>> But because you asked its simple they get money from terrorist who get
>> money from oil or poppies. > > Wrong again. There's plenty of terrorists
>> where there is no oil or poppies.


Ok, first you need to check to see if its time to take another dose of your
meds because you seem to be completely losing your ability to focus here.
Next carefully re-read what I wrote. The statement above has nothing to do
with the terrorist being where the oil and poppies are only they are getting
money from other terrorist who get their money from oil and poppies. Where
do you think binny boy got his money to run his little holy war? From
selling magazines door to door? Nope from his family's oil business.

>>>> The more money they have the faster they can force their religion >>>>
>>>> on the rest of the world under the threat of terrorist and death. > >>>
>>>> It aint about money. > >> Everything is about money. > > Just another
>>>> mindlessly silly fantasy.


IOW, you can't counter my point.

>> Without money nothing happens in this world. > > Just another mindlessly
>> silly fantasy.


IOW, you can't counter my point. >

>> They are told that their religion is the only correct religion > >
>> Another pig ignorant lie.


IOW, you can't counter my point. And it is true. Study their own words.

> >> and they are to force it upon the rest of the unbelieving world. > >
> >> Another pig ignorant lie.


IOW, you can't counter my point.

> >> Can't do that w/o money. > > Another pig ignorant lie.


Ok, tell me how to spread a religion around the world w/o money. I'd love to
know so that I can start spreading mine at no cost.

>>>> As I have said, if you have to threaten your followers with death to
>>>> >>>> keep them following your religion then you are following a false
>>>> religion. > >>> There is no such animal as a 'true' religion. > >> Sure
>>>> there is, even in the human view of the world. > > Another pig ignorant
>>>> lie.


IOW, you can't counter my point.

> >> A true religion is one that allows people to make their own decisions
> >> of how to live but shows how >> that life should be lived. > > Another
> >> pig ignorant lie.


IOW, you can't counter my point.

>> A true follower of Christ does just that. > > Another pig ignorant lie.


IOW, you can't counter my point. >

>> There are others who do, I disagree with them but once they have heard
>> the truth as I see is they >> must make their own decision on how to
>> live. > > They ignore your mindless **** because they have noticed that
>> you don't have a clue.


You seem to be the only one here who can't support his arguments.

> >> If I think you are going to Hell I'll tell you and tell you what you
> >> can do to prevent it. > > And I'll tell you to shove it where the sun
> >> don't shine.


I don't care, I have done my part. The rest is up to you and God. Just the
same as if I tell you not to touch that wire because the electric fence is
on. If you touch it after that its your problem not mine.

> >> But I will never try to force you, by physical force or by using the
> >> police power of the state, to >> change. > > You have always been, and
> >> always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.


Me in specific or me as a Christian in general?

>> IOW, you are nothing more than a closed minded bigot who thinks he's the
>> only one who knows what >> right in the world. > > You'll burn child.
>> That fool that was stupid enough to get nailed up by the > romans said
>> very unambiguously indeed that you cant do that sort of thing. > > Just
>> another rabid fundy that cant even manage to work out what that > fool
>> who was stupid enough to get nailed up by the romans told him to do.


I do think you should talk to the docs about adjusting your meds. Tell them
you can't keep focused and tend to repeat yourself, having problems
controlling your anger and have are having some really bad self image issues
and feel the need to try to make others feel small to make yourself feel
bigger. Personally I'd suggest you mention adding Seroquel or if you are on
it already upping the dose.


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