| Re: Why are SUVs and Christianity similar?
no spam <no@spam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> My parents were Catholic when I was born and gave it up because
>>>>>> of the weekly donation issue. It seemed to them that the church was out for the money and
>>>>>> people were trying to buy their way into Heaven.
>>>>> Had to drop in here. Your up bringing is the problem. The Catholic church, in most
>>>>> non-catholic's opinions, DOES NOT follow the true teachings of Christ and therefore are not a
>>>>> true Christian church.
>> You're just describing the centuries-old rift between Catholics and
>> Protestants (some of whom, primarily Lutherans, still accept the
>> primacy of the Pope). If I were Catholic I'm sure we could get into
>> a heated debate about it.
>>>> The Pope is just the figurehead of the church and does not make
>>>> many decisions. It is the Cardinals that tell the Pope what to say.
>> Nonsense. It is Catholic dogma to excommunicate anybody who challenges the Pope's primacy. The
>> *nature* of his primacy can be debated, but his
> If that were true then it seems to me that 90% of the US Catholics
> should be kicked out. They are openly thumbing their noses at him
> and his teachings on birth control, divorce and more.
They arent as hard line as the worst of you rabid fundys.
They have confession for a reason, stupid.
>> As I said, I'm not Catholic myself, but I've spent enough time with practicing Catholics to have
>> learned a thing or two....
> Ask them if they are following the teachings of the church on all things.
Only rabid fanantics ever do that.
> Only a handful of the "practicing Catholics" I have known through my life (I dated one for a
> while) were what I would call true Catholics, i.e. following the teachings of the church. The
> rest looked at them as guidelines not rules.
And that has always been one way of doing a religion.
Doesnt stop it being a religion and plenty of protestant cults operate like that too.
>>> Heck most of the Catholics I know don't even follow their own rules.
>> Most of the "religious" people I know, regardless of faith, don't follow their own rules.
> Which is my point. I'm telling you I'm a vegetarian but I eat pork, beef, chicken and fish. Now
> am I a vegetarian or not?
It aint that black and white with stuff like eating fish on fridays.
> I can tell you I'm a Catholic (not to pick on them but because we have been talking about them)
> but I don't go to mass,
It aint that black and white either. What about only going occasionally ?
> have sex outside marriage, use birth control and support abortion on demand. Now am I a Catholic?
Corse you are if you decide that the ban on birth control is stupid.
> To me the answer to both questions is a huge NO.
Yeah, but you are a rabid fanatic.
You dont see many of those in the roman catholic church
anymore, most of those turned into protestants instead.
>> That said, there's actually a process by which Catholics can formally question some of the tenets
>> of the church without being
>> excommunicated. I forget what it's called, what can be questioned,
>> and the details about how it works, but it's an involved enough
>> process that I'm guessing the people you're talking about are merely
>> lapsed to some degree and not "officially" questioning the church.... :-)
> My point had very little to do with Catholics in specific. I picked
> them because they are world known and I know a little about their
> religion. My point was and is you can't condemn a group based on
> actions of people who are only claiming to be members of that group.
But you can condemn a group which is stuffed with rabid fanatics like you.
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