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02-10-2007, 09:21 AM

"landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 10, 7:56 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>> "BobT" <robertleetaylo...@MoveThisCox.net> wrote in message
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>> news:arjzh.57293$qy.8057@newsfe16.lga...
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>> > "Gorgeous George" <gorgeous.geor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >> WTF is this...
>>
>> >>http://tinyurl.com/2mea2m
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>> > My libertarian streak makes me think this is a bad law, however anyone
>> > that wears earphones playing music while cycling on a road shared with
>> > other vehicles is quite foolish.
>>
>> > A modest proposal: Perhaps there should be a law that requires anyone
>> > injured while engaging in this particularly stupid activity should only
>> > get medical treatment if they pay for it themselves. This would
>> > achieve
>> > the goal of protecting the public at large from this person's poor
>> > judgement but would not infringe on individual freedom with the only
>> > goal
>> > of "protecting people from themselves".
>>
>> > Please do not respond unless you agree with me.
>>
>> > Ready, set, and go.
>>
>> > BobT
>>
>> Sorry, Bob, but I'm going to respond(and doesn't your request negate your
>> 'libertarian' streak?). Wearing earphones while cycling is already
>> illegal
>> in most places, but that doesn't mean the activity is "stupid". I fail to
>> see how a cyclist wearing earphones removes him from the environment any
>> more than a motorcyclist wearing a helmet, or a motorist in a luxury car
>> with the radio turned up.
>
> You're not thinking hard enough, then. It's virtually impossible to
> use headphones at a reasonable volume when you have to overcome wind
> noise, so the vast majority of cyclists wearing 'phones have them at a
> volume that's the equivalent of a car stereo that's so loud that it
> would get you pulled over. That's right--most sane cities have laws
> against egregious car stereo volume as well.
>
> Oh, and Bob, suggesting the withholding of medical treatment to
> somebody that's stupid enough to wear headphones and get hit makes you
> an *******. Bragging about a "libertarian streak" beforehand makes you
> pitiful. Perhaps you should stick to the Ayn Rand and Push-Up
> creamsicles, and stay off the Usenet.
>
> The whole headphone debate is not a bit different from listening to a
> drunk stagger to the door and slur, "but I'm fine to drive, hic."
>

No you are the DA. Anyone in a car listening to music is too drunk to
drive. Throw away their license forever. They are too distracted to see a
cyclist or care about anyone's safety.

02-10-2007, 09:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
nash Posts: n/a	Re: New York wants to outlaw iPods for cyclers!?!? "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1171121521.298192.11690@m58g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com... > On Feb 10, 7:56 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com> wrote: >> "BobT" <robertleetaylo...@MoveThisCox.net> wrote in message >> >> news:arjzh.57293$qy.8057@newsfe16.lga... >> >> >> >> > "Gorgeous George" <gorgeous.geor...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >news:1171106831.734099.195910@p10g2000cwp.googleg roups.com... >> >> WTF is this... >> >> >>http://tinyurl.com/2mea2m >> >> > My libertarian streak makes me think this is a bad law, however anyone >> > that wears earphones playing music while cycling on a road shared with >> > other vehicles is quite foolish. >> >> > A modest proposal: Perhaps there should be a law that requires anyone >> > injured while engaging in this particularly stupid activity should only >> > get medical treatment if they pay for it themselves. This would >> > achieve >> > the goal of protecting the public at large from this person's poor >> > judgement but would not infringe on individual freedom with the only >> > goal >> > of "protecting people from themselves". >> >> > Please do not respond unless you agree with me. >> >> > Ready, set, and go. >> >> > BobT >> >> Sorry, Bob, but I'm going to respond(and doesn't your request negate your >> 'libertarian' streak?). Wearing earphones while cycling is already >> illegal >> in most places, but that doesn't mean the activity is "stupid". I fail to >> see how a cyclist wearing earphones removes him from the environment any >> more than a motorcyclist wearing a helmet, or a motorist in a luxury car >> with the radio turned up. > > You're not thinking hard enough, then. It's virtually impossible to > use headphones at a reasonable volume when you have to overcome wind > noise, so the vast majority of cyclists wearing 'phones have them at a > volume that's the equivalent of a car stereo that's so loud that it > would get you pulled over. That's right--most sane cities have laws > against egregious car stereo volume as well. > > Oh, and Bob, suggesting the withholding of medical treatment to > somebody that's stupid enough to wear headphones and get hit makes you > an *******. Bragging about a "libertarian streak" beforehand makes you > pitiful. Perhaps you should stick to the Ayn Rand and Push-Up > creamsicles, and stay off the Usenet. > > The whole headphone debate is not a bit different from listening to a > drunk stagger to the door and slur, "but I'm fine to drive, hic." > No you are the DA. Anyone in a car listening to music is too drunk to drive. Throw away their license forever. They are too distracted to see a cyclist or care about anyone's safety.