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02-09-2007, 10:51 AM

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:32:22 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>>> Wildlife Need Habitat Off-Limits to Humans!
>>> Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
>>> October 12, 1997
>>>
>>> "Of what avail are forty freedoms, without a blank spot on the map?"
>>> Aldo Leopold
>>>
>>> "For every living creature [including humans!], there are places where
>>> it does not belong." p.251 "I believe it is a public responsibility to
>>> safeguard what we can of wilderness before the great push of man's
>>> numbers; and to safeguard with it ... the shy wild ones that need
>>> man-less expanses in which to thrive." p.262. Paul L. Errington, Of
>>> Predation and Life
>>>
>>> "I confess to further disquieting thoughts as to how much moral right
>>> man actually has to regard the Earth as his exclusive possession, to
>>> despoil or befoul as he will. Man has or should have some minimal
>>> responsibility toward the Earth he claims and toward the other forms
>>> of life that have been on the Earth as long as or longer than he has."
>>> Paul Errington, A Question of Values, p.153.
>>>
>>
>>
>>"The great push of man's numbers," does not include the random visitation
>>of
>>man to a habitat.
>
> Prove it. That is just your own opinion, supported by NOTHING.
Awww.... Mikey... You are a middle-man whose usefullness has been outdone.
The injection of your "total exclusion" opinions into the writings of others
is hardly useful, realistic or beneficial to the discussion of preservation.
The "middle-man" has been eliminated as the actual reserach and the actual
researchers are accessible to everyone. The agencies that used to rely on
comments such as yours have access to the original information at the touch
of a button. The average person also has access and can make up their own
minds without the benefit of elitists' medling.
You sit on a "warehouse" of outdated product as everyone else moves forward
with direct contact, actual research and educated decisions. You are not
smarter than anyone else. Your opinions no longer have influence as nobody
is interested in what research you quote as everyone has access to the full
context of the original. The actual researcher who complied the original
research is much more qualified than you to offer recommendations from their
findings.
Perhaps you should have a "Going Out Of Business" sale. People may need
birdcage filler or fishwraps or puppy-training paper....

>
> The author, here, was trying to convey the idea that we
>>need to set aside space that development efforts will not be allowed to
>>reach.
>>
....which in no way implies that mountain biking should be removed from every
natural area. Creating "human free" areas does not imply complete bans on
nature cycling in every non-paved area.

02-09-2007, 10:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
S Curtiss Posts: n/a	Re: Wildlife Need Habitat Off-Limits to Humans! "Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:fbkms2ddl5k1r9l2jignrrenpdg4i9n1p9@4ax.com... > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:32:22 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" > <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote: > >> >>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message >>newsqahs2lk6ckd0t5iq6alafu54ek4tuh7gu@4ax.com. .. >>> Wildlife Need Habitat Off-Limits to Humans! >>> Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D. >>> October 12, 1997 >>> >>> "Of what avail are forty freedoms, without a blank spot on the map?" >>> Aldo Leopold >>> >>> "For every living creature [including humans!], there are places where >>> it does not belong." p.251 "I believe it is a public responsibility to >>> safeguard what we can of wilderness before the great push of man's >>> numbers; and to safeguard with it ... the shy wild ones that need >>> man-less expanses in which to thrive." p.262. Paul L. Errington, Of >>> Predation and Life >>> >>> "I confess to further disquieting thoughts as to how much moral right >>> man actually has to regard the Earth as his exclusive possession, to >>> despoil or befoul as he will. Man has or should have some minimal >>> responsibility toward the Earth he claims and toward the other forms >>> of life that have been on the Earth as long as or longer than he has." >>> Paul Errington, A Question of Values, p.153. >>> >> >> >>"The great push of man's numbers," does not include the random visitation >>of >>man to a habitat. > > Prove it. That is just your own opinion, supported by NOTHING. Awww.... Mikey... You are a middle-man whose usefullness has been outdone. The injection of your "total exclusion" opinions into the writings of others is hardly useful, realistic or beneficial to the discussion of preservation. The "middle-man" has been eliminated as the actual reserach and the actual researchers are accessible to everyone. The agencies that used to rely on comments such as yours have access to the original information at the touch of a button. The average person also has access and can make up their own minds without the benefit of elitists' medling. You sit on a "warehouse" of outdated product as everyone else moves forward with direct contact, actual research and educated decisions. You are not smarter than anyone else. Your opinions no longer have influence as nobody is interested in what research you quote as everyone has access to the full context of the original. The actual researcher who complied the original research is much more qualified than you to offer recommendations from their findings. Perhaps you should have a "Going Out Of Business" sale. People may need birdcage filler or fishwraps or puppy-training paper.... > > The author, here, was trying to convey the idea that we >>need to set aside space that development efforts will not be allowed to >>reach. >> ....which in no way implies that mountain biking should be removed from every natural area. Creating "human free" areas does not imply complete bans on nature cycling in every non-paved area.