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02-12-2007, 03:35 PM

Bill Baka writes:

>>> It had the desired effect, by affecting your response. About 9
>>> billion should be the absolute limit before people start going
>>> nuts from over population. Read up on the Lemmings in
>>> England. Mass suicide due to overcrowding. With 9 billion people
>>> all competing for space and paving

>> Your ignorance is showing again. You really should get your info
>> from somewhere other than Disney movies. Lemmings do not do such a
>> thing.

> Damn, I've been had by Disney. My bad. More Animal Planet and damn
> the Disney. Here's a link for anyone else taken in by Disney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

> At any rate, I have heard of scholars, presumably reliable, talking
> about 9 billion as almost a brick wall kind of thing. It is thought
> that the population will briefly go past 9 billion and then settle
> back to that number or somewhere close to it.

The earth is not capable of sustaining the current population, natural
resources and water being stressed as they are while the per capita
demand for "progress" and "mobility" spreads.

> Here is one link. The author on this one thinks that 9.5--11 billion
> will be the limit. He does mention that 'Getaway' places are more
> popular than ever, indicating the stress of over population is
> getting to people even now.

http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/p...opulation.html

The trouble is that what "people even now" see are only side effects
of population, not that we are overpopulated already. Of course the
first knee jerk response to that is "Whom are you proposing to kill
first?" This of course is a rude misinterpretation of the condition.
Humans have a finite life and need not be "killed" to reduce
population. Birth rate makes the difference.

> It's at best a messy conundrum we have gotten into.

The messy part is that our economic goals demand we live in a Ponzi
scheme in which we need an ever increasing number of participants.
Birth rate makes the difference.

That is true for developed countries as well as the most economically
backward ones.

Jobst Brandt

02-12-2007, 03:35 PM	#627 (permalink)
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org Posts: n/a	Re: "Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong Bill Baka writes: >>> It had the desired effect, by affecting your response. About 9 >>> billion should be the absolute limit before people start going >>> nuts from over population. Read up on the Lemmings in >>> England. Mass suicide due to overcrowding. With 9 billion people >>> all competing for space and paving >> Your ignorance is showing again. You really should get your info >> from somewhere other than Disney movies. Lemmings do not do such a >> thing. > Damn, I've been had by Disney. My bad. More Animal Planet and damn > the Disney. Here's a link for anyone else taken in by Disney. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming > At any rate, I have heard of scholars, presumably reliable, talking > about 9 billion as almost a brick wall kind of thing. It is thought > that the population will briefly go past 9 billion and then settle > back to that number or somewhere close to it. The earth is not capable of sustaining the current population, natural resources and water being stressed as they are while the per capita demand for "progress" and "mobility" spreads. > Here is one link. The author on this one thinks that 9.5--11 billion > will be the limit. He does mention that 'Getaway' places are more > popular than ever, indicating the stress of over population is > getting to people even now. http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/p...opulation.html The trouble is that what "people even now" see are only side effects of population, not that we are overpopulated already. Of course the first knee jerk response to that is "Whom are you proposing to kill first?" This of course is a rude misinterpretation of the condition. Humans have a finite life and need not be "killed" to reduce population. Birth rate makes the difference. > It's at best a messy conundrum we have gotten into. The messy part is that our economic goals demand we live in a Ponzi scheme in which we need an ever increasing number of participants. Birth rate makes the difference. That is true for developed countries as well as the most economically backward ones. Jobst Brandt