| Re: Why are SUVs and Christianity similar?
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>>>>>> The Pope is just the figurehead of the church and does not make
>>>>>> many decisions. It is the Cardinals that tell the Pope what to say.
>>>> Nonsense. It is Catholic dogma to excommunicate anybody who challenges the Pope's primacy. The
>>>> nature of his primacy can be debated, but his
>>> If that were true then it seems to me that 90% of the US Catholics
>>> should be kicked out. They are openly thumbing their noses at him
>>> and his teachings on birth control, divorce and more.
>> They arent as hard line as the worst of you rabid fundys.
>> They have confession for a reason, stupid.
> IIRC, confession is for you to admit your wrongs, get them forgiven and to say you won't do it
> again. Not to allow you to keep on getting away with something.
They dont in fact boot people out who keep confessing
and keep saying that they wont do it again.
They only boot out those who dont bother to confess their
sins and who dont even bother to say they wont do it again.
And they arent as mindlessly hard line about some of the
more trivial stuff like contraceptives and eating fish on fridays
or sending your brats to non church schools either.
Or even getting real radical and daring to marry
someone who isnt in that obscenity of a cult either.
Or booting those who marry someone in another cult outside the RC cult either.
>>>> As I said, I'm not Catholic myself, but I've spent enough time
>>>> with practicing Catholics to have learned a thing or two....
>>> Ask them if they are following the teachings of the church on all things.
>> Only rabid fanantics ever do that.
> IOW, only the true Catholics.
You wouldnt know what a true catholic was if one bit you on your lard arse, fundy.
>>> Only a handful of the "practicing Catholics" I have known through my life (I dated one for a >>
>>> while) were what I would call true Catholics, i.e. following the teachings of the church. The
>>> rest looked at them as guidelines not rules.
>> And that has always been one way of doing a religion.
> IOW, they want to be called Catholic but not have to be Catholic.
Or there might just be more than one way of doing a religion, fundy.
>> Doesnt stop it being a religion and plenty of protestant cults operate like that too.
> More faulty logic.
We'll see...
> That's like a kid saying it must be ok to shoplift because plenty of other kids do it.
Nothing like with the more trivial rules that anyone
with a clue has noticed change over time, like
saying the mass in the local language or in latin etc.
Even with mindlessly silly **** like the selling of indulgences etc.
Only the rabid fanatics chuck a trantrum and storm out.
Most roman catholics just carry on regardless and realise that
very little doesnt change over time with the relatively trivial crap
like what women can do in the cult, what the cult's positiion is
on what schools the cult member's brats can attend, what
has to happen with marraige with non cult members, what
cult members should do church attendance wise, etc etc etc.
There's a reason that particular cult has lasted as long
as it has and so many of the more rabid protestant
cults are lucky to even manage a single generation.
>>>>> Heck most of the Catholics I know don't even follow their own rules.
>>>> Most of the "religious" people I know, regardless of faith, don't follow their own rules.
>>> Which is my point. I'm telling you I'm a vegetarian but I eat pork, beef, chicken and fish. Now
>>> am I a vegetarian or not?
>>> It aint that black and white with stuff like eating fish on fridays.
> Sure it is. What makes a Catholic a Catholic or a Baptist a Baptist?
> Its following the rules.
Fantasy with that particular cult.
And plenty of protestant cults have no rules handed down by
bigwigs in the heirarchy, because they have no hierarchy at all.
>>> I can tell you I'm a Catholic (not to pick on them but because we have been talking about them)
>>> >> but I don't go to mass,
>> It aint that black and white either. What about only going occasionally ?
> You are adding to my scenario to fit what you want.
Nope, I'm rubbing your stupid rabid fundy nose in the
fact that its nothing like as black and white as you claim.
> I said "don't go to mass," not "don't go to mass regularly,".
You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
What you might of might not have said in spades.
>>> have sex outside marriage, use birth control and
>>> support abortion on demand. Now am I a Catholic?
>> Corse you are if you decide that the ban on birth control is stupid.
> So I'm a law abiding citizen and will be allowed to remain living free
> with all the other law abiding citizens if I shoot an illegal immigrants
> because I think the ban on shooting illegal immigrants is stupid?
Nothing like ignoring the ban on birth control because you realise
its stupid and completely counter productive in the third world.
In spades with the ban on condoms in the parts of the world were HIV/AIDS is rife.
> If you think the ban on birth control is stupid why
> would you want to follow a church that preaches that?
Because they will likely come to their senses on that eventually just like
they did on that question about whether the sun revolves around the
earth and you can ignore that particular ban with complete impunity.
That obscenity of a cult doesnt even require you to prove that the
reason you only have 2 brats is because you dont **** anymore.
In the case of the women who think the bad on women clergy makes
no sense, presumably they consider that they prefer the rest of the
cult better than the alternative protestant cults that allow that etc.
>>>> To me the answer to both questions is a huge NO.
>> Yeah, but you are a rabid fanatic.
> That's funny.
We'll see...
> You calling someone who believes that if you don't want
> go to hear about God I leave you alone a "rabid fanatic".
Its that mindless **** of yours above that if you dont agree
with some detail of what the cult currently claims are the
rules then you must leave is what makes you a rabid fanatic.
You're so stupid that you havent even noticed that that particular
cult has hardly ever operated like that, and the downsides that
have happened when it has actually been stupid enough to let
rabid fanatics like you operate like that in that particular cult.
> What phrase do you call people who want to
> pass laws forcing their view of religion on you?
They're rabid fanatics too. Fortunately there are **** all of
those in any decent democracy and I choose to live in one
of those myself and whatever they want, there isnt even the
remotest possibility of them ever being able to achieve that.
Even the wahabis arent into that either and
you cant get much more rabid than them.
>> You don't see many of those in the roman catholic church
>> anymore, most of those turned into protestants instead.
> No you don't see many of them because the RC church rather
> have non-Catholic Catholics filling the pews and offering plates
> than having to sell some of their pretty buildings.
Have fun explaining how they delt with Luther.
Have fun explaining how they delt with jews too.
>>>> That said, there's actually a process by which Catholics can
>>>> formally question some of the tenets of the church without
>>>> being excommunicated. I forget what it's called, what can be
>>>> questioned, and the details about how it works, but it's an
>>>> involved enough process that I'm guessing the people you're
>>>> talking about are merely lapsed to some degree and not
>>>> "officially" questioning the church.... :-)
>>> My point had very little to do with Catholics in specific. I picked
>>> them because they are world known and I know a little about their
>>> religion. My point was and is you can't condemn a group based on
>>> actions of people who are only claiming to be members of that group.
>> But you can condemn a group which is stuffed with rabid fanatics like you.
> And what group is that
Those with such stupid ideas about following 'rules'
> and what am I so rabidly fanatic about?
That if they dont abide by all the 'rules', they should leave.
That particular cult has never worked like that.
And thats why its lasted a hell of a lot longer that any protestant cult ever has.
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