| Re: Why are SUVs and Christianity similar?
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>>>>>> The Pope is just the figurehead of the church and does not make many decisions. It is the
>>>>>> Cardinals that tell the Pope what to say.
>>>> Nonsense. It is Catholic dogma to excommunicate anybody who challenges the Pope's primacy. The
>>>> nature of his primacy can be debated, but his
>>> If that were true then it seems to me that 90% of the US Catholics should be kicked out. They
>>> are openly thumbing their noses at him and his teachings on birth control, divorce and more.
>> But none of those actions dispute the Pope's primacy. They're simply sins that should be
>> confessed and repented. Challenging the Pope's primacy is more akin to telling the Queen of
>> England that she isn't the rightful heir to the throne.
> I see your point. But by confessing and not repenting are they not
> saying that they think the church, and by extension the Pope, are wrong?
Nope, they're saying that they cant manage to be as good as is desirable,
particularly on stuff like not being as charitable as they should, polite etc etc etc.
And first world catholics dont confess that they sent
their brats to a state school and not one run by that cult.
Not sure what the cult expects them to do if they choose to marry someone
outside the cult today, doubt they are expected to confess and repent anymore.
In spades if they dont bother to eat fish every friday.
> BTW, doing penitence is not the same as repenting.
No one ever said it was.
> Repenting means you are doing penitence because you are sorry you did something NOT so you can be
> forgiven this time and be ready for the next.
Its more complicated than that in that particular cult.
You could even buy indulgences, and presumably still can.
>>>> As I said, I'm not Catholic myself, but I've spent enough time
>>>> with practicing Catholics to have learned a thing or two....
>>> Ask them if they are following the teachings of the church on all things.
>> Most of the ones I know either attempt to follow the church on all things (and confess their
>> failures), or are actively lapsed and acknowledge that they were raised in a Catholic tradition
>> but no longer actively practice.
Most in fact are selective about the trivia they bother with, most obviously
with eating fish on friday, sending their brats to schools run by the cult,
birth control, etc etc etc and dont even bother to confess that stuff.
**** all consider that the cult is the source of all wisdom anymore.
Hordes of them have are very cynical about the sillier stuff their
priest spouts in all but the worst of the mindless third world.
> The ones I'm talking about are the ones who go to mass, have confirmation for their kids and the
> like but regularly use birth control and do other things the church say are no-nos.
> These are the ones I call non-Catholic Catholics.
Yeah, but you are a rabid fanatic.
That particular cult has always worked that way and hardly
ever is silly enough to let you rabid fanatics rule the roost.
You dont even see too many fanatical about
booting homosexuals out of the cult anymore.
They are very well aware that hordes of their priest are.
> If they are no longer actively practicing then I don't consider them former Catholics, i.e. not
> Catholics.
You have always been, and always will be completely and utterly irrelevant.
You're just another rabid fanatic who doesnt actually
have a clue about how that particular cult works.
Its nothing like as hard line as most protestant cults are.
>>>>> Heck most of the Catholics I know don't even follow their own rules.
>>>> Most of the "religious" people I know, regardless of faith, don't follow their own rules.
>>> Which is my point.
No it isnt.
>>> I'm telling you I'm a vegetarian but I eat pork, beef, chicken and fish. Now am I a vegetarian
>>> or not?
Its nothing like as black and white as that with eating fish on fridays.
>> Well, that's a different thing -- vegetarianism isn't a matter of faith -- but I get your
>> meaning.
> You can put in a religion and non-religious actions if you rather.
Non religious actions are irrelevant a faith.
And most of the crap like fish on fridays and even birth control arent
examples of papal infallibility anyway so they are welcome to be
selective about what rules they ignore and still be part of that cult.
>>> I can tell you I'm a Catholic (not to pick on them but because we have been talking about them)
>>> but I don't go to mass, have sex outside marriage, use birth control and support abortion on
>>> demand. Now am I a Catholic?
Yep, a lapsed one who may get his act into gear on that stuff later.
And you arent even a lapsed one if its just contraception and not going to mass.
>> I think that's a symptom of the way our society intertwines faith and
>> culture. Plenty of people were raised in one Christian tradition or
>> another, celebrate holidays like Christmas and Easter, but never go
>> to church, read the Bible, or pray. It works the same way in other
>> religions -- cultural Jews often break fast on Yom Kippur despite
>> never going to synagogue, for example, and cultural Hindus
>> celebrate Diwali despite never going to temple. I've even known non-practicing Muslims to fast
>> during Ramadan.
> People like that will sometimes claim to be a member of a religion but they usually just claim to
> believe in god.
Wrong, the vast bulk of the catholics that behave like that
claim to be catholics and still get buried by the church etc.
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