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02-13-2007, 08:21 AM

Kernix wrote:
> On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <c...@nospam.edu> wrote:
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>>>> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>>>> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>>>> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>>>> photos and the BCT website click below
>>>> http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095
>>> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
>>> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
>>> call yourselves "environmentalists"?!
>> Doesn't it burn you up? How
>> about knowing you're
>> absolutely powerless to stop
>> it? How about knowing the
>> world laughs at you?
>
> Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? You're talking
> about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
> mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
> bikers enjoy the outdoors. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
> maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
> has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
> bushes, etc. How is this any different?
>
> Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
> new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
> impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
> that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
> trees.
>
> And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
> DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
> trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
> no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
> more overall damage.
>
> You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!
>

We never said it was. Try
reading some threads around
here. . . I'm also many of the
things above, and the problem
with MV is not that we don't
share, but that we enjoy at all.

02-13-2007, 08:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
cc Posts: n/a	Re: Vandeman one post closer to death Kernix wrote: > On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <c...@nospam.edu> wrote: >> Mike Vandeman wrote: >>> \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net> >>> wrote: >>>> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail >>>> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on >>>> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty >>>> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more >>>> photos and the BCT website click below >>>> http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 >>> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, >>> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to >>> call yourselves "environmentalists"?! >> Doesn't it burn you up? How >> about knowing you're >> absolutely powerless to stop >> it? How about knowing the >> world laughs at you? > > Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? You're talking > about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, > mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't > bikers enjoy the outdoors. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club > maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion > has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, > bushes, etc. How is this any different? > > Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make > new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the > impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but > that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down > trees. > > And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), > DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined > trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to > no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much > more overall damage. > > You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! > We never said it was. Try reading some threads around here. . . I'm also many of the things above, and the problem with MV is not that we don't share, but that we enjoy at all.