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02-14-2007, 07:59 PM

On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" <jimkernicky@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <c...@nospam.edu> wrote:
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> > \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>> >> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>> >> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>> >> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>> >> photos and the BCT website click below
>>
>> >>http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095
>>
>> > Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
>> > especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
>> > call yourselves "environmentalists"?!
>>
>> Doesn't it burn you up? How
>> about knowing you're
>> absolutely powerless to stop
>> it? How about knowing the
>> world laughs at you?
>
>Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different?

It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two
bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars).

You're talking
>about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
>mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
>bikers enjoy the outdoors.

They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot!

I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
>maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
>has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
>bushes, etc. How is this any different?
>
>Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
>new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
>impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
>that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
>trees.
>
>And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
>DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
>trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
>no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
>more overall damage.
>
>You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!

You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers
out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

02-14-2007, 07:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mike Vandeman Posts: n/a	Re: Vandeman one post closer to death On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" <jimkernicky@gmail.com> wrote: >On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <c...@nospam.edu> wrote: >> Mike Vandeman wrote: >> > \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net> >> > wrote: >> >> >> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail >> >> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on >> >> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty >> >> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more >> >> photos and the BCT website click below >> >> >>http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 >> >> > Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, >> > especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to >> > call yourselves "environmentalists"?! >> >> Doesn't it burn you up? How >> about knowing you're >> absolutely powerless to stop >> it? How about knowing the >> world laughs at you? > >Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars). You're talking >about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, >mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't >bikers enjoy the outdoors. They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot! I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club >maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion >has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, >bushes, etc. How is this any different? > >Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make >new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the >impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but >that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down >trees. > >And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), >DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined >trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to >no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much >more overall damage. > >You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande