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02-15-2007, 07:36 AM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" <jimkernicky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <c...@nospam.edu> wrote:
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>>>>> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>>>>> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>>>>> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>>>>> photos and the BCT website click below
>>>>> http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095
>>>> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
>>>> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
>>>> call yourselves "environmentalists"?!
>>> Doesn't it burn you up? How
>>> about knowing you're
>>> absolutely powerless to stop
>>> it? How about knowing the
>>> world laughs at you?
>> Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different?
>
> It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two
> bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars).

This is just incorrect. I've
been on countless biking and
hiking trails, and the
difference is negligible. Some
of the tightest trails I've
been on were for bikers and
hikers.

>
> You're talking
>> about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
>> mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
>> bikers enjoy the outdoors.
>
> They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot!

Mike, it's about time you
stopped posting this bull****
semantic argument. If you ban
the bikes, you ban mountain
bikers. When I'm on the trail
without my bike, I'm a hiker.
Douchebag.

>
> I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
>> maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
>> has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
>> bushes, etc. How is this any different?
>>
>> Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
>> new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
>> impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
>> that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
>> trees.
>>
>> And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
>> DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
>> trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
>> no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
>> more overall damage.
>>
>> You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!
>
> You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers
> out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot.

Mike, it's about time you
stopped posting this bull****
semantic argument. If you ban
the bikes, you ban mountain
bikers. When I'm on the trail
without my bike, I'm a hiker.
Douchebag.

02-15-2007, 07:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
cc Posts: n/a	Re: Vandeman one post closer to death Mike Vandeman wrote: > On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" <jimkernicky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <c...@nospam.edu> wrote: >>> Mike Vandeman wrote: >>>> \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <geed...@qwest.net> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail >>>>> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on >>>>> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty >>>>> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more >>>>> photos and the BCT website click below >>>>> http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095 >>>> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat, >>>> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to >>>> call yourselves "environmentalists"?! >>> Doesn't it burn you up? How >>> about knowing you're >>> absolutely powerless to stop >>> it? How about knowing the >>> world laughs at you? >> Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? > > It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two > bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars). This is just incorrect. I've been on countless biking and hiking trails, and the difference is negligible. Some of the tightest trails I've been on were for bikers and hikers. > > You're talking >> about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker, >> mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't >> bikers enjoy the outdoors. > > They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot! Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag. > > I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club >> maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion >> has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches, >> bushes, etc. How is this any different? >> >> Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make >> new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the >> impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but >> that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down >> trees. >> >> And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area), >> DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined >> trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to >> no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much >> more overall damage. >> >> You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness! > > You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers > out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot. Mike, it's about time you stopped posting this bull** semantic argument. If you ban the bikes, you ban mountain bikers. When I'm on the trail without my bike, I'm a hiker. Douchebag.