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10-05-2003, 11:38 AM

bhugh@mwsc.edu (Brent Hugh) wrote:

>Tim Smith <tssmith@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<69utnvopghk1pcneafe1ak3ggael2o57mv@4ax.com>. ..
>> "Doug Huffman" <2huffman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Why should you 'donate' to buy what your taxes shouldn't buy?
>> >
>> >The physical and legal infrastructure for safe cycling exist. What is
>> >needed now is effective principled leadership to allow their use.
>>
>> What's really needed is a shift in cultural values, and I suspect that
>> LAB cannot do that. $6 per gallon gasoline would, but that's not going
>> to happen any time soon.
>
>On the contrary . . .
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=449053
> http://www.isv.uu.se/uhdsg/OilIPCC/Conclusions.doc
>
>"World oil and gas supplies are heading for a 'production crunch'
>sometime between 2010 and 2020 when they cannot meet supply, because
>global reserves are 80 per cent smaller than had been thought, new
>forecasts suggest."

Yes, I'm aware of the doomsday predictions about a forthcoming oil and
gas crunch. See also

http://www.oilcrisis.com/laherrere/

At least these reports are done by geologists, not economists, which
lends them more credibility.

If an energy crunch comes in 2010 (the earlist projected date), it's
very hard to imagine all that will ensue. As a cyclist, I would
rejoice to see fewer cars, and more pedestrians and cyclists, on the
roads. But I would not be so happy to discover that a round-trip
tourist-class air ticket to Europe now costs about $6500, or that it
will cost $7000 to heat my home for the winter (and I live in
California).

I'd split the difference between the geologists and the economists,
and will guess that the energy crunch will occur about 2025-2030.
That's what I meant by "not any time soon".

10-05-2003, 11:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tim Smith Posts: n/a	Re: Safe Routes to School Question bhugh@mwsc.edu (Brent Hugh) wrote: >Tim Smith <tssmith@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<69utnvopghk1pcneafe1ak3ggael2o57mv@4ax.com>. .. >> "Doug Huffman" <2huffman@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >Why should you 'donate' to buy what your taxes shouldn't buy? >> > >> >The physical and legal infrastructure for safe cycling exist. What is >> >needed now is effective principled leadership to allow their use. >> >> What's really needed is a shift in cultural values, and I suspect that >> LAB cannot do that. $6 per gallon gasoline would, but that's not going >> to happen any time soon. > >On the contrary . . . > > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=449053 > http://www.isv.uu.se/uhdsg/OilIPCC/Conclusions.doc > >"World oil and gas supplies are heading for a 'production crunch' >sometime between 2010 and 2020 when they cannot meet supply, because >global reserves are 80 per cent smaller than had been thought, new >forecasts suggest." Yes, I'm aware of the doomsday predictions about a forthcoming oil and gas crunch. See also http://www.oilcrisis.com/laherrere/ At least these reports are done by geologists, not economists, which lends them more credibility. If an energy crunch comes in 2010 (the earlist projected date), it's very hard to imagine all that will ensue. As a cyclist, I would rejoice to see fewer cars, and more pedestrians and cyclists, on the roads. But I would not be so happy to discover that a round-trip tourist-class air ticket to Europe now costs about $6500, or that it will cost $7000 to heat my home for the winter (and I live in California). I'd split the difference between the geologists and the economists, and will guess that the energy crunch will occur about 2025-2030. That's what I meant by "not any time soon".