"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong - Page 11

02-03-2007, 12:35 PM

donquijote1954 wrote:
> On Feb 2, 7:57 pm, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>>> You said it best. There's one hope though: THE REVOLUTION (coming
>>>> soon)...
>>> Stick it.
>> I'm thinking all we gotta do is to convince everyone who's sure that
>> we're all doomed anyway to "check out early" - get it over with, why
>> wait for us all to be drowned in 10 years when the sea level jumps up
>> 10,000 feet. That'll cut down on the needs for a lot of resources,
>> and will reduce the release of hot air considerably. ;-)
>
> That's not all that hard to do. All you got to do is connect Global
> Warming with Armageddon, and that so is the will of God. Actually, I
> think they are already working hard to make Global Warming happen with
> all those SUVs with God's bumper stickers.
>
> So the connection is that the same Christian fundamentalists are
> causing Armageddon!

That isn't too unreasonable since they are also the ones whom God (the
pope) told to have as many kids as possible so they would need a big van
(SUV) to carry them all over the place.
>
> Can Humanity Survive? Want to Bet on It?
> Sixty ago years, a group of physicists concerned about nuclear weapons
> created the Doomsday Clock and set its hands at seven minutes to
> midnight. Now, the clock's keepers, alarmed by new dangers like
> climate change, have moved the hands up to 11:55 p.m.
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> SEE POLL TAKING PLACE AT PRAVDA...
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>

02-03-2007, 12:37 PM

On Feb 3, 3:58 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> Wayne Pein wrote:
> > donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> >> Wayne Pein wrote:
>
> >>> Further, bus public transit is heavy and destroys the pavement,
> >>> something that is very important to bicyclists. And when the bus pulls
> >>> over to the curb, there is conflict with bicyclists.
>
> >>> Frankly, public transportation and bicycling have nothing in common.
> >>> Bicycling has much more in common with automobile travel.
>
> >>>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
> >>> html/table_04_20.html
>
> >>>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
>
> >> No way. Buses with racks go a long way for bicyclists who just use the
> >> bikes for shorter distances. They are complementary...
>
> > So, the 2 bicyclists that use the bus are still chauffered energy
> > users/polluters for their bus leg.
>
> > Wayne
>
> No way. The buses are going to run either way, full or empty. The use of
> a bus makes perfect sense when you consider that you can take one past
> the most dangerous part of town and drop you at a safer location. Nobody
> should be so into the bike that they willfully put their life in the
> hands of motorist who could care less.
> It's called 'Survival instinct'.
> It's also nice to fall back when the weather opens up and wants to dump
> on anyone caught in the open.
> Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -
>

Good thinking. You should take it on the bus until you pass the
"jungle." Then you ride in fine and beautiful bike paths where the
lions (the rich and famous) live. Be careful they don't steal your
bike off the rack while traversing the jungle.

02-03-2007, 12:51 PM

donquijote1954 wrote:
> On Feb 3, 4:20 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>>> On Feb 2, 5:12 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>> BTW, I don't drink or use drugs, except for chocolate.
>>> Chocolate is a fancy drug used by liberals given to European socialist
>>> ideas of biking and small cars. Real Americans eat something like
>>> Freedom Fries --and drive SUVs.
>> Hah,
>> They don't go into the bag very well for a long trip, and forget about a
>> 'Big Mac'. I can travel a long way on chocolate power.
>> Give me chocolate and I will do almost anything (reasonable).
>> Bill Baka
>
> Well, I see you are leaning left. Try this brand...
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Double check is NOT made in China, like the patriotic ribbons "We
> support our troops."

>
>
> Anyways why is it that Christians buy so many SUVs? I always
> wondered...
>
> Why do people liken SUVs and Christianity together?
>
> Many Christians drive SUVs for many reasons. In fact, this is done
> symbolically since SUVs and Christianity both do the same things.

The hard core Christians don't use birth control and continue to
overpopulate because the pope interprets God's will to mean lots of
babies. Then you need an SUV.
>
>
> TRUE FACTS THAT ARE TRUE SINCE WE USED THE WORD TRUE WHICH MAKES THEM
> TRUE SINCE THEY ARE FACTS WHICH MEANS THEY ARE TRUE

HUH????
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~Emits air which makes trees and plants grow more plentifully. This
> ensures healthy people and a higher chance of being smart enough to
> become a Christian.

I take offense with that remark. You mean STUPID enough to become one.
Christians seem to base their life on whatever the pope interprets the
Bible to mean, and will commit any act that is harmful to the planet as
their way of following God's will.
>
> ~Emits the Word of God which unites all people in the world and makes
> the world peaceful.

Total Bull****. Remember the Crusades? Become Christian or we will kill
you type stuff.

There is no war or murders.

So if the church says to kill all non-Christians it is not sanctioned
murder?

This is why America is
> the #1 Christian nation on Earth with the lowest divorce rates, crime
> rates, suicides, wars, nuclear weapons, guns, gangs, drugs,
> prostitution and so forth. The more Christian a nation gets, the less
> of these things you see (ignore what the Liberal Media tells you)

Fruit loop detected.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~Is huge and powerful. Anything that gets in its way will be destroyed
> without remorse or regret and those inside will stay unaware of what
> has happened but laugh and be happy as they go on.

That much I can't argue with. We can commit any kind of atrocity as long
as it is being done in God's name by someone else (soldiers) and we
don't have to look at the results.
>
> ~See above.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~Can drive up mountains, over forests, knock down trees, hold two
> flags on each side and one flag in the back and one on the antenna and
> two in the rear windows with another on the children's side window and
> one on the dash board with three glued onto the room with five stapled
> to the fold out chairs, and can drive on water, and can go fast, and
> is so tall it can see over everything. It also shows how big your
> genitals are.
>
> ~Runs over Evil such as witches, Catholics, ***s, atheists, pagans,
> Muslims, pacifists, ******s, and communists MAKING THEM DEAD!!!
> HAHAHAHA!!!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~Is fuel efficient.
>
> ~Is knowledge efficient.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~Takes you up mountains on stormy nights.
>
> ~Takes you up to Heaven.
>
> Why do people liken SUVs and Christianity together?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Many Christians drive SUVs for many reasons. In fact, this is done
> symbolically since SUVs and Christianity both do the same things.
>
>
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
That should be named "Truly gullible idiots".
Bill Baka

02-03-2007, 12:56 PM

donquijote1954 wrote:
> On Feb 3, 3:58 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> No way. The buses are going to run either way, full or empty. The use of
>> a bus makes perfect sense when you consider that you can take one past
>> the most dangerous part of town and drop you at a safer location. Nobody
>> should be so into the bike that they willfully put their life in the
>> hands of motorist who could care less.
>> It's called 'Survival instinct'.
>> It's also nice to fall back when the weather opens up and wants to dump
>> on anyone caught in the open.
>> Bill Baka-
>>
>
> Good thinking. You should take it on the bus until you pass the
> "jungle." Then you ride in fine and beautiful bike paths where the
> lions (the rich and famous) live. Be careful they don't steal your
> bike off the rack while traversing the jungle.
>
No rich and famous around here unless you count Chuck Yeager.

Side note: I have heard of people getting off the bus and trying to pull
a fast one by grabbing the bike off the rack while the driver, usually
clueless, waits.
Kind of like car jacking but the cyclist usually figures it out before
the bike is history.
There are all types of petty thieves running around.
Life in the city is not automagically civilized.
Bill Baka

02-03-2007, 01:02 PM

Don Klipstein wrote:
> In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Joe Fischer wrote:
>> On 2 Feb 2007 09:46:18 -0800, "donquijote1954"
>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 2, 11:20 am, "Lee K" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>> Climate Change's Carnival Atmosphere
>>>>
>>>> Showmanship, rather than facts, is driving the climate debate - and, yes,
>>>> there still is a raging debate despite pronouncements to the contrary by Al
>>>> Gore and the mainstream media.
>>> You send your resume here...
>>>
>>> US think tank offering cash to dispute UN climate panel: report
>>>
>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>> More yahoo stuff, yahoo?
>>
>>> You could argue that you make black look white, that hot is cold,
>> No, I can't but global warming story tellers insist
>> that global warming can bring on a long hard winter,
>> and more snow.
>
> I know a couple explanations:
>
> 1) Warmer winter-storm-feeding waters can make more intense snowstorms,
> up until the time it gets too warm for those (or they move farther from
> the equator).
>
> 2) Harsher winters in the British Isles and nearby Western Europe
> are considered a possible effect of the Gulf Stream being weakened and
> pushed southward by cold freshwater runoff from melting of Greenland's
> icecap.
>
> - Don Klipstein ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])

The Gulf Stream theory was a subject of concern on a History or learning
channel program that I watched. The theory was that if enough non salt
water ice melted from the North pole it would de-salinate the ocean
enough to kill the North-South flow of water.
It made scientific sense, but I can't preach here. People need to be
more aware, but how???
Bill Baka

02-03-2007, 01:07 PM

Mark Hickey wrote:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
>> In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Mark Hickey wrote:
>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Brent P) wrote:
>>>
>>>> But it isn't about the environment, it's about power, control, and
>>>> wealth.
>>> Couldn't agree more. And that applies at the individual level as well
>>> - look at the funding spent on pro-global warming, and then contrast
>>> the money spent on contrarian studies. No contest - you simply can't
>>> get rich telling people that there's no lurking invisible monster
>>> about to eat the earth, it seems.
>> Oh, those that make money in ways threatened by addressing of global
>> warming sure have a lot to lose and are putting money into generation of
>> data or "data" that we don't have a problem! For one example, I remember
>> something maybe about a decade ago by a major oil company saying how the
>> temperature has not significantly warmed at some level a few miles aloft,
>> which I expect to not warm up as much as the surface and lowest couple
>> miles of the atmosphere would as a result of adding "greenhouse gases".
>
> I believe what you're talking about was the NOAA data that was used to
> exclude the urban heat centers (relying on mid-level atmospheric
> temperatures, which would obviously also have to go up in the event
> there was a true global warming scenario underway). The fact that the
> alarmists have to use selective and incomplete data to support their
> claims tells you all you really need to know. The fact they've
> singled out CO2 as the culprit just shows that they count on the
> masses not having done any reading on the subject (which is probably a
> safe assumption).
>
> Mark Hickey
> Habanero Cycles
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
> Home of the $795 ti frame

Funny how people will dismiss that which doesn't hit them personally as
non-existent. Try to explain why cities begin to warm up before sunrise
and you get right into the cause and effect part of things. All those
cars starting up to commute or park in a traffic jam cause the cities to
warm up a degree or two compared to the rural areas.
Explain that away.
Bill Baka

02-03-2007, 01:10 PM

donquijote1954 wrote:
> On Feb 2, 4:37 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Brent P) wrote:
>
>> The belief in human caused global warming is being used to gain more control
>> over the population, to consolidate wealth, to end any sort of freedom of the
>> masses, and put the whole world in the control of a small group of
>> elites.
>
> I thought that was the job of Globalization.
>
>> I will believe that human caused global warming is a serious issue when
>> and only when, nations like China are forced to do something about it.
>> Right now, things like the Kyoto treaty are designed simply to relocate
>> manufacturing from places where there _ARE_ environmental protections to
>> places where there are practically _NONE_. They expect us to believe that
>> CO2 released in Ohio is bad, but CO2 released in Tianjin is of no
>> concern. Not to mention all the pollution controls that are required in
>> Ohio, the limits, the regulations, all to keep the environment cleaner
>> but simply don't exist in other places in the world like China.
>
> It's not Kyoto, but America that is feeding China. Go to Walmart or
> the Dollar Store if you don't believe me.
>
>
Bingo.
Hit the nail right on the head. Bush can praise our 'progress' while we
are supporting a Communist country that could care less about pollution.
Meanwhile they are taking away our jobs while they do their thing, which
seems to be taking our money.
Bill Baka

02-03-2007, 01:18 PM

Rod Speed wrote:
> Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
> donquijote1954 <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> desperately attempted to bull**** its way out of its
> predicament and fooled absolutely no one, as always.

Irony. Good stuff.

02-03-2007, 01:40 PM

Eeyore <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:

> donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> > A typical 25 watt fluorescent light
> > bulb, which replaces a 100 watt incandescent bulb, will last 8 hours
> > on 200 watts worth of power. LEDs (light emitting diodes) are even
> > more efficient and will last days on 200 watts worth of power."

Let me suggest a basic physics course, where the difference between
power and energy will be explained. :-)

> No, LEDs are *not* more efficient.

Right now, they are not more efficienct than fluorescent bulbs, but
that may change as the efficiency of LEDs is being continually
improved. The lastest technology (there are prototypes only at
this point) is comparable to fluorescent lighting.

Also, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED>:

LEDs are moderately efficient; the average commercial SSL
currently outputs 32 lumens per watt (lm/W), and new
technologies promise to deliver up to 80 lm/W. The long
lifetime of LEDs make SSL very attractive. They are also more
mechanically robust than incandescent light bulbs and
fluorescent tubes.

Also,
Due to their monochromatic nature, LED lights have great power
advantages over white lights when a specific color is
required. Unlike traditional white lights, the LED does not
need a coating or diffuser that can absorb much of the emitted
light. LED lights are inherently colored, and are available in
a wide range of colors. One of the most recently introduced
colors is the emerald green (bluish green, about 500 nm) that
meets the legal requirements for traffic signals and
navigation lights.

There are applications that specifically require light without
any blue component. Examples are photographic darkroom safe
lights, illumination in laboratories where certain
photo-sensitive chemicals are used, and situations where dark
adaptation (night vision) must be preserved, such as ****pit
and bridge illumination, observatories, etc.

>
> Nor will most humans be able to generate a continuous 200W. That's
> 1/4 horse power FFS !
>
> If that's their sales spiel then I don't think much of them.

He probably meant 200 watt-hours or something: otherwise you can't
explain why he would say it is enough to last for days.

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

02-03-2007, 01:50 PM

Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>donquijote1954 wrote:
>> On Feb 2, 4:37 pm, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Brent P) wrote:

>>> The belief in human caused global warming is being used to gain
>>> more control over the population, to consolidate wealth, to end
>>> any sort of freedom of the masses, and put the whole world in
>>> the control of a small group of elites.

>> I thought that was the job of Globalization.

>>> I will believe that human caused global warming is a serious issue when
>>> and only when, nations like China are forced to do something about it.
>>> Right now, things like the Kyoto treaty are designed simply to relocate
>>> manufacturing from places where there _ARE_ environmental protections to
>>> places where there are practically _NONE_. They expect us to believe that
>>> CO2 released in Ohio is bad, but CO2 released in Tianjin is of no
>>> concern. Not to mention all the pollution controls that are required in
>>> Ohio, the limits, the regulations, all to keep the environment cleaner
>>> but simply don't exist in other places in the world like China.

>> It's not Kyoto, but America that is feeding China. Go to Walmart or
>> the Dollar Store if you don't believe me.

>Bingo.
>Hit the nail right on the head. Bush can praise our 'progress' while we
>are supporting a Communist country that could care less about pollution.
>Meanwhile they are taking away our jobs while they do their thing, which
>seems to be taking our money.

This is not just consumer-driven. It's also market-driven and an
ethical issue... beyond CO2 etc, but of the value of work.

Put it this way; if you value your own work at $2/day, then feel
free to buy products from a nation where that is the "standard" wage.
However, don't begrudge the people of those countries the fruits of
their labour. Fair prices need to be fair to all. That provides the
greatest incentive and freedom of choice across the range.

I know of no economic or political system that can impose the
necessary balance. Historically; systems that try to impose fairness
become corrupt.

Consumer education is important; giving them sufficient information
on what they are buying, how it is made and who really makes the
money from the products that they buy. Only then can a choice based
on equity be made.
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