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02-04-2007, 08:04 PM

Some of the suburbs of Vancouver have them. Called Shuttle buses but only
go short distances in town.

02-04-2007, 08:04 PM

Some of the suburbs of Vancouver have them. Called Shuttle buses but only
go short distances in town.

02-04-2007, 08:11 PM

Fred G. Mackey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Well, it seems to me that he's just being an ass since he refuses to explain what he means.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you actually are that thick.

> I suppose he's talking about interstates which charge tolls.

Nope. The free part of freeway has nothing to do with the toll.

> Not living in New Jersey or states which do that, I wasn't familiar with any. A google search
> reveals that tolls CAN be charged on interstates that were built with state funds prior to the
> creation of the interstate highway system.

Irrelevant to what was being discussed.

> So a very small percentage (primarily in the NE) of the nearly 50,000 miles interstates cover are
> allowed to charge tolls.

Irrelevant to what was being discussed.

02-04-2007, 08:11 PM

Fred G. Mackey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Well, it seems to me that he's just being an ass since he refuses to explain what he means.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you actually are that thick.

> I suppose he's talking about interstates which charge tolls.

Nope. The free part of freeway has nothing to do with the toll.

> Not living in New Jersey or states which do that, I wasn't familiar with any. A google search
> reveals that tolls CAN be charged on interstates that were built with state funds prior to the
> creation of the interstate highway system.

Irrelevant to what was being discussed.

> So a very small percentage (primarily in the NE) of the nearly 50,000 miles interstates cover are
> allowed to charge tolls.

Irrelevant to what was being discussed.

02-04-2007, 08:12 PM

Mark Hickey wrote:

> Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >Mark Hickey wrote:
> >> Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >>> You don't want to even try to cut down on coal/oil burning plants?
> >>
> >> Sure, but not by using more resources to build solar panels that won't
> >> return the energy (much less the cost) for many years to come.
> >
> >And it is OK to waste that same Silicon to make tons of
> >games/gadgets/cell phones!
>
> First, since silicon is essentially sand, I'm not worried about
> running out of it any time soon. Second, photocells use a lot more
> than the itty bitty little microscopic junctions in most semiconductor
> devices (where a single die the size of a small solar panel might
> contain hundreds of microprocessor chips).

More like thousands actually.

Graham

02-04-2007, 08:12 PM

Mark Hickey wrote:

> Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >Mark Hickey wrote:
> >> Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >>> You don't want to even try to cut down on coal/oil burning plants?
> >>
> >> Sure, but not by using more resources to build solar panels that won't
> >> return the energy (much less the cost) for many years to come.
> >
> >And it is OK to waste that same Silicon to make tons of
> >games/gadgets/cell phones!
>
> First, since silicon is essentially sand, I'm not worried about
> running out of it any time soon. Second, photocells use a lot more
> than the itty bitty little microscopic junctions in most semiconductor
> devices (where a single die the size of a small solar panel might
> contain hundreds of microprocessor chips).

More like thousands actually.

Graham

02-04-2007, 08:18 PM

In article <45c67f72$0$28125$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Wayne Pein wrote
in part:

>A 2 ft wide bicycle fits just fine no matter how narrow the lane.

I have driven smaller rental trucks on lanes that had at most 6 inches
to each side of the truck!

> A bicycle driver need only ride right in the center of the lane.

And hold up traffic? Oh how popular! (SNORT!) Especially given states
having laws telling cyclists to stay at the right edge of the lane they
are in! Oh, I have heard of allowance for cyclists to hog a lane to block
vehicles that the cyclists know cannot safely pass them, but if a cyclist
needs to hog a lane more than briefly for such safety purposes then the
cyclist could easily lose on the road, and again (or the cyclist's next
of kin could lose that next battle) at a resulting jury trial!

> The roads are full of slow vehicles such as stopped busses, motor vehicles
>completely stopped at stop lights, parked delivery vehicles, front
>loaders, bicycles, etc. Motorists can deal with it.

All too many motorists will feel more free to push out of their way a
cyclist than a bus or a UPS/Fedex/mail/etc. truck! Also, motorists don't
mind waiting in line for a light to change so much as they do a slow
vehicle blocking them, much worse still one that sometimes gets in their
way but also passes by them when they are standing still in line waiting
for the light to change!

- Don Klipstein ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])

02-04-2007, 08:18 PM

In article <45c67f72$0$28125$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Wayne Pein wrote
in part:

>A 2 ft wide bicycle fits just fine no matter how narrow the lane.

I have driven smaller rental trucks on lanes that had at most 6 inches
to each side of the truck!

> A bicycle driver need only ride right in the center of the lane.

And hold up traffic? Oh how popular! (SNORT!) Especially given states
having laws telling cyclists to stay at the right edge of the lane they
are in! Oh, I have heard of allowance for cyclists to hog a lane to block
vehicles that the cyclists know cannot safely pass them, but if a cyclist
needs to hog a lane more than briefly for such safety purposes then the
cyclist could easily lose on the road, and again (or the cyclist's next
of kin could lose that next battle) at a resulting jury trial!

> The roads are full of slow vehicles such as stopped busses, motor vehicles
>completely stopped at stop lights, parked delivery vehicles, front
>loaders, bicycles, etc. Motorists can deal with it.

All too many motorists will feel more free to push out of their way a
cyclist than a bus or a UPS/Fedex/mail/etc. truck! Also, motorists don't
mind waiting in line for a light to change so much as they do a slow
vehicle blocking them, much worse still one that sometimes gets in their
way but also passes by them when they are standing still in line waiting
for the light to change!

- Don Klipstein ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])

02-04-2007, 08:36 PM

In article <45c68052$0$16912$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Wayne Pein wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> I don't think that's true. To accommodate more and more traffic, a
>> number of roads have been widened just enough to provide two lanes of
>> traffic each way with NO additional space between the cars and the curb.
>> No matter how friendly a driver might be, there isn't enough space to
>> pass a bicyclist without moving into the next lane, which is probably
>> already occupied by a car. This is dangerous for everybody, and most
>> bicyclists stay off such roads.
>>
>
>It's interesting how motorists incriminate themselves by claiming that
>slow traffic, and specifically bicycle traffic, causes the danger. As a
>motorist, I don't have a problem with slow traffic such as bicycles,
>front loaders, stopped busses, cars and delivery vehicles. I think
>incompetent motorists should just not drive.

What percentage of motorists do you expect to keep their cool when they
have to slow down a lot for a cyclist, only to see the cyclist keep moving
towards beside the vehicle at the head of the line when the motor vehicles
stop and line up for a red light?

Do you expect so much as 99%? How many weeks or months will the cyclist
live if commuting daily through a narrow bridge or other shoulderless
stretch of road following a trafficlight-controlled intersection if 99.99%
of motor vehicle drivers keep their cool on the shoulderless stretch when
slowed down by 20-25 MPH by a cyclist that passed them when they were in a
line 1/4-1/2 mile before waiting for the light to turn green?

- Don Klipstein ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])

02-04-2007, 08:36 PM

In article <45c68052$0$16912$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Wayne Pein wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> I don't think that's true. To accommodate more and more traffic, a
>> number of roads have been widened just enough to provide two lanes of
>> traffic each way with NO additional space between the cars and the curb.
>> No matter how friendly a driver might be, there isn't enough space to
>> pass a bicyclist without moving into the next lane, which is probably
>> already occupied by a car. This is dangerous for everybody, and most
>> bicyclists stay off such roads.
>>
>
>It's interesting how motorists incriminate themselves by claiming that
>slow traffic, and specifically bicycle traffic, causes the danger. As a
>motorist, I don't have a problem with slow traffic such as bicycles,
>front loaders, stopped busses, cars and delivery vehicles. I think
>incompetent motorists should just not drive.

What percentage of motorists do you expect to keep their cool when they
have to slow down a lot for a cyclist, only to see the cyclist keep moving
towards beside the vehicle at the head of the line when the motor vehicles
stop and line up for a red light?

Do you expect so much as 99%? How many weeks or months will the cyclist
live if commuting daily through a narrow bridge or other shoulderless
stretch of road following a trafficlight-controlled intersection if 99.99%
of motor vehicle drivers keep their cool on the shoulderless stretch when
slowed down by 20-25 MPH by a cyclist that passed them when they were in a
line 1/4-1/2 mile before waiting for the light to turn green?

- Don Klipstein ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])