"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong - Page 3

02-02-2007, 04:51 AM

On Feb 2, 6:46 am, "donquijote1954" <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Leo Lichtman wrote:
> > "donquijote1954" wrote: (CLIP) See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: (CLIP)
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Answer a few questions:
> > 1.) How does the LBS get its merchandise? Is there any fuel consumed in
> > the delivery?
> > 2.) How does mail get to your house?
> > 3.) Do you use electricity? How is it generated?
> > 4.) How do the groceries get from the producer to the store?
> > ...Need I go on?
>
> OK, let's create a scale, in which, say, I'm a 5 and the SUV gas-
> guzzlers are a 10 (the perfect polluter), then I would be ready to
> move down perhaps to a 3, provided I'm safe to go out and ride my
> bike. And then perhaps I would need a kibbutz coop and reduce my need
> to a 1 (0 is when you die).

You wrote-"Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is
who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE:"

Yes they do all pollute, you do too.

02-02-2007, 06:55 AM

See what they are doing in Canada...

Send a Message to Canada's Top Greenhouse Gas Polluters

Dear Sir/Madam,

Your company is listed as one of the top 10 Greenhouse Gas polluters
in Canada.

[Your Comments]

I urge you to give Canadians a real gift this holiday season by
committing to reduce your Greenhouse Gas emissions by 6% below your
1990 level.

Sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Address]

Yep, the worst polluters get punished (I suggest not buying from them)
for being filthy. Not a bad idea for other places where pollution is
ignored...

This is a comment to the above initiative: "If nothing is done the
earth will follow the path of the Dinasaur."

See the exclusive T-shirt "Do not feed the Dinosaur! Ride a Bike!"

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02-02-2007, 07:13 AM

On 2 Feb 2007 05:51:17 -0800, "donquijote1954"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>You said best. There's one hope though: THE REVOLUTION (coming
>soon)...

Stick it.

Joe Fischer

02-02-2007, 07:20 AM

Climate Change's Carnival Atmosphere
Thursday , February 01, 2007

By Steven Milloy
The global warming carnival hits its full stride this week in preparation
for the release of the long-awaited and much-hyped United Nations report on
global warming. It's unfortunate for the climateers that this week's climate
science doesn't live up to all the hoopla.

The week started out with a Congressional hearing in which Rep. Henry Waxman
accused the Bush administration of trying to squelch the science about
global warming. Rep. Waxman seems to have overlooked the fact that, if
silencing debate was the administration's goal, there was a far better way
to go about achieving that goal - that is, by cutting off the alarmist's
financial support.

The Bush administration, after all, is by far the largest funder of global
warming alarmism, pouring about $30 billion of federal dollars into climate-
and alternative energy-related research over the last six years. Many of the
beneficiaries of this taxpayer largesse, particularly NASA's James Hansen,
have become media darlings.

Not to be outdone, Sen. Barbara Boxer's Environment and Public Works
Committee held a hearing during which, as the Aberdeen American News (South
Dakota) put it, "presidential contenders for 2008. expounded - and at times
tried to outdo each other - on why they believed Congress must act to reduce
heat-trapping greenhouse gases."

And those were some of the more tame circus acts.

Al Gore was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize and an Oscar for his global
warming alarmism. Paris officials announced that the Eiffel Tower would
shutdown its 20,000 flashing light bulbs and go dark for five minutes on the
eve of the release of the UN report. The National Football League announced
that it would plant 3,000 trees to offset carbon dioxide emissions caused by
this week's Super Bowl. A California state legislator introduced a bill to
ban regular (incandescent) light bulbs and to mandate fluorescent lighting
in homes and businesses by 2012. The bill is called the "How Many
Legislators Does it Take to Change a Lightbulb Act."

These hijinks also extended into the science community.

First, the UN isn't releasing its full report this week - just the curiously
edited "Summary for Policy Makers." The detailed report on the science won't
be issued until May or so because it's not finished.

If you're wondering how the UN can issue a summary of a report that's not
even finished, fear not. The UN has announced that changes to the full
report shall be made "to ensure consistency with the Summary for Policy
Makers." The UN process - akin to shooting first and asking questions
later -is the exact opposite of the traditional scientific method.

In an apparent effort to either out-shine or to add urgency to the UN
report, a new study co-authored by NASA's James Hansen (Science, Feb. 2)
claims that the UN's climate models have under-predicted actual climate
change, particularly with respect to sea level. Hansen's study reports that
the climate models: (1) slightly underestimate actual global temperature
increase; and (2) greatly underestimate actual sea-level rise.

Hansen and his co-authors conclude that their findings show that previous
projections have not exaggerated, but may in some respects have
underestimated, the extent of climate change. But Hansen's global
temperature claims are questionable since the locations he relies on for
temperature measurements are as much as 1200 kilometers (720 miles) apart.

As an example of what this means, a temperature taken in New York, N.Y.
(where the average February high is 42 degrees Fahrenheit) would be assumed
to be representative of the temperature data from as far away as Atlanta,
Ga. (where the average February high is 57 degrees Fahrenheit). That can
obviously be quite a large (and uncertain) assumption in a game where the
alarmists make their gloom-and-doom predictions based on average global
temperature changes on the order of a few tenths of a degree over several
decades.

Moreover, NASA's own data indicate that there appears to be no significant
change in temperature trend since the early 20th century. No doubt this is
why Hansen and his co-authors admit in their study that the time period they
considered for their temperature analysis (1990-2006) is "relatively short,"
rendering it "difficult to establish the reasons" for this warming.

Not mentioned, however, is the fact that Hansen's claim of greater warming
during 1990-2006 is driven in large part by a brief spike in warming (caused
by an El Nino event) that occurred during 1997-1998. The spike is over and
subsequent temperature data indicate that the warming trend is back to
normal.

With respect to sea level rise, according to another new study, the mean
level of sea-level rise has not accelerated recently and was more than 30
percent greater during 1904-1953 than during 1954-2003. As with the
temperature data, Hansen and his co-authors acknowledge in their paper that
the time periods are too short to draw conclusions: "Again, we caution that
the time interval of overlap is short, so that internal decadal climate
variability could cause much of the discrepancy."

Showmanship, rather than facts, is driving the climate debate - and, yes,
there still is a raging debate despite pronouncements to the contrary by Al
Gore and the mainstream media.

02-02-2007, 08:01 AM

We all exhale CO2. We are saying an SUV pollutes just tons more than a bike
from being made period. Can you not agree even to that. It is a fact.
Never mind the 30 to 50 years without needing Fossil fuel for it and not
needing paved streets, repairs, street lights, traffic cops. Hospitals for
car accidents hitting each other or peds, and cyclists. You have to
realize that at least. People that do not drive are subsidizing anyone who
does. Makes people want to buy a car just to make things even. Which just
shows you how twisted values are in N. America.

02-02-2007, 08:01 AM

the discrepancy between predicted maximum heart rate and observed can be due
to caffeine,
a cup of coffee before exercise can raise your heart rate 10-20 beats above
your "ceiling" but it's the rate without any caffeine in your system what
the formula predicts
there are other stimulants (tea, coke, etc) that contain significant amounts
of caffeine
Jeff

"donquijote1954" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:1170357571.517834.230020@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles. And how about those
> who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
> for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
> back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.
> But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
> it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
> Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
> decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
> Napoleon himself...
>
> http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...h_napoleon.jpg
>
> (Bush and Napoleon... [Only registered and activated users can see links. ])
>
>
> HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY
>
> One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
> complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
> every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
> to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
> them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
> kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
> the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
> of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
> it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
> words...
>
> Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
> in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
> the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
> Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
> have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
> importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
> the quick way out of poverty..."
>
> And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
> the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
> to the effect of exploring life in other planets...
>
> ***
>
> PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
> awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
> likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
> conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
> new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
> door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
> approved, is to be released Friday.
>
> Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
> meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
> likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
> 90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.
>
> The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
> human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
> try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
> means a 99 percent chance.
>
> The report is considered an authoritative document that could
> influence government and industrial policy worldwide.
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
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>
> THE BANANA REVOLUTION

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>

02-02-2007, 08:04 AM

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

> God doesn't care if you drive a car or ride a bicycle. Less polluting
> vehicles do not put you on any sort of good karma list.

Bingo.

A) What caused the end of the LAST ice age? (I blame Ooga-booga Bush,
little known caveman.)

B) Why are the ice caps shrinking...ON MARS?

Heard an interview with an MIT cimatologist the other day, and he said there
is not one -- /not one/ -- scientific study showing that man is causing or
even influencing global warming. But why would the press or UN pay
attention to him, when you have a former vice president (who flunked out of
divinity school) spouting hysteria?

Al Gore: "HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!!!" Exactly.

Bill "and I've driven /maybe/ 120 miles this year" S.

02-02-2007, 08:05 AM

On Feb 2, 11:18 am, "lab~rat >:-)" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> I think that we can all agree that pollution sucks. Hey, for what
> it's worth, I had an article written about me for my work with light
> pollution. What the hell are we gonna do about that?
>
> Everybody's sticking their nose into who drives what and some stupid
> ice melting that 99% of the world has never seen, what about the way
> you can't even see the stars at night from many places in the world.
>
> For generations, people have used the night sky for folklore,
> explaining their existence, navigation, etc., and in two generations
> we've all but erased the night sky. In the future, the only place
> people will be able to see stars is from space or a planetarium.
>
> Will some of you tree huggers get on that one for us? I mean, the sky
> is as much a part of nature as a forest...

I can see the hungry lion making a greater profit out of it all, until
the end, when he himself will be finished...

As a star gaze becomes hard to get, they sell a piece of the sky in
your vacation package to Tahiti, where still the sky is clean. As
clean water become more scarce, they sell you water from Fiji. The
problem is when they run out of remote places and the lions start
fighting each other over scarce resources. That's when the predators
eat each other...

"The changing face of the African plains has led to a new and bloody
conflict among its animals, as captured in this documentary. National
Geographic: Predators At War examines conditions in the Mala Mala game
preserve in South Africa. Due to a long standing drought, Mala Mala's
plant life is slowly dying out, leaving the predatory animals of the
region -- among them... More lions, leopards, hyenas and cheetahs --
to prey upon one another in a grim bid for survival."

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02-02-2007, 08:19 AM

On 2 Feb 2007 07:55:19 -0800, "donquijote1954"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>See what they are doing in Canada...

Go away spammer, this is the renewable energy
newsgroup, not a do without, go hungry and freeze
to death newsgroup.

Joe Fischer

02-02-2007, 08:28 AM

On Fri, "Jeff" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>the discrepancy between predicted maximum heart rate and observed can be due
>to caffeine,

I didn't see any remark about predicted maximum heart rate,
but it should be based on resting heart rate.
Those with a heart rate above 60 are surely
emitting more CO2. :-)

Joe Fischer