"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong - Page 4

02-02-2007, 08:46 AM

On Feb 2, 11:20 am, "Lee K" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> Climate Change's Carnival Atmosphere

> Showmanship, rather than facts, is driving the climate debate - and, yes,
> there still is a raging debate despite pronouncements to the contrary by Al
> Gore and the mainstream media.

You send your resume here...

US think tank offering cash to dispute UN climate panel: report

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You could argue that you make black look white, that hot is cold, that
you can make evil look good, and that Bush has been good for the
environment.

02-02-2007, 09:11 AM

"donquijote1954" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:1170438378.924761.25690@p10g2000cwp.googlegro ups.com...
> On Feb 2, 11:20 am, "Lee K" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> Climate Change's Carnival Atmosphere
>
>> Showmanship, rather than facts, is driving the climate debate - and, yes,
>> there still is a raging debate despite pronouncements to the contrary by
>> Al
>> Gore and the mainstream media.
>
> You send your resume here...
>
> US think tank offering cash to dispute UN climate panel: report
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> You could argue that you make black look white, that hot is cold, that
> you can make evil look good, and that Bush has been good for the
> environment.

>

And you could pose as a big mouth bass with a hook in its mouth, you're so
gullible.

02-02-2007, 09:30 AM

"The changing face of the African plains has led to a new and bloody
conflict among its animals, as captured in this documentary. National
Geographic: Predators At War examines conditions in the Mala Mala game
preserve in South Africa. Due to a long standing drought, Mala Mala's
plant life is slowly dying out, leaving the predatory animals of the
region -- among them... More lions, leopards, hyenas and cheetahs --
to prey upon one another in a grim bid for survival."

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The drought was caused by Global Dimming. As far back as the Ethiopian Food
Crisis when I was in Elementary school.
PBS and the BBC aired a National Geographic doc on it.
Extremely important to our future. More so than just global warming alone.
They actually work off each other.

I always thought it was the Lions against the Christians anyway.
Moneyed vs the poor.

02-02-2007, 11:38 AM

On 2 Feb 2007 09:46:18 -0800, "donquijote1954"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Feb 2, 11:20 am, "Lee K" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> Climate Change's Carnival Atmosphere
>>
>> Showmanship, rather than facts, is driving the climate debate - and, yes,
>> there still is a raging debate despite pronouncements to the contrary by Al
>> Gore and the mainstream media.
>
>You send your resume here...
>
>US think tank offering cash to dispute UN climate panel: report
>
>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

More yahoo stuff, yahoo?

>You could argue that you make black look white, that hot is cold,

No, I can't but global warming story tellers insist
that global warming can bring on a long hard winter,
and more snow.

>that you can make evil look good,

The only evil involved is people repeating what
they hear like they do with outhouse rumors and old
wives tales.

>and that Bush has
>been good for the environment.

You probably think 911 was good for the
environment. A lot of people are thinking and
saying the US has done nothing, but they should
check out all the projects that have been started
in the last 10 or 15 years, the government does
not need to force everybody here to do things,
efficiency is good for profit, and cooperation is
better than penalties or fines.

The amount of ethanol and biodiesel from
soy beans alone may amount to more neutral CO2
fuel than the efforts at conservation or any effort
by any other country.

And we have to try to do all this while about
2 million people every year abandon their homeland
to come here to try to find a better life and be free
of centralized government restrictions and interference
in their lives.

Joe Fischer

02-02-2007, 11:59 AM

Jesus couldn`t be here right now, but braught to you by the marvels
of modern technology we qoute;
"By their deeds you shall know them."

Put into a more apt context, philosiphers correctly predict (in the
near future) that mans` acts will be greatly amplified as to expose
them for their traights; as happening here now on the internet!

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Ashley Clarke
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02-02-2007, 12:10 PM

On Fri, "nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>"The changing face of the African plains has led to a new and bloody
>conflict among its animals, as captured in this documentary. National
>Geographic: Predators At War examines conditions in the Mala Mala game
>preserve in South Africa. Due to a long standing drought, Mala Mala's
>plant life is slowly dying out, leaving the predatory animals of the
>region -- among them... More lions, leopards, hyenas and cheetahs --
>to prey upon one another in a grim bid for survival."
>
>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>The drought was caused by Global Dimming.

Is that a quote from something said by an
expert, or your own addition to all the things that
global warming has done?

I searched several different ways for something
to support your contention, but only found one article
by a writer (not a climate expert), and an opinion by
that writer that global warming has caused the snow
cap on the mountain to be smaller.

It is odd that I couldn't find any mention of the
things you claim when reading the tourist advertising.

Joe Fischer

02-02-2007, 12:37 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Joe Fischer wrote:

> A lot of people are thinking and
> saying the US has done nothing, but they should
> check out all the projects that have been started
> in the last 10 or 15 years, the government does
> not need to force everybody here to do things,
> efficiency is good for profit, and cooperation is
> better than penalties or fines.

The belief in human caused global warming is being used to gain more control
over the population, to consolidate wealth, to end any sort of freedom of the
masses, and put the whole world in the control of a small group of
elites.

I will believe that human caused global warming is a serious issue when
and only when, nations like China are forced to do something about it.
Right now, things like the Kyoto treaty are designed simply to relocate
manufacturing from places where there _ARE_ environmental protections to
places where there are practically _NONE_. They expect us to believe that
CO2 released in Ohio is bad, but CO2 released in Tianjin is of no
concern. Not to mention all the pollution controls that are required in
Ohio, the limits, the regulations, all to keep the environment cleaner
but simply don't exist in other places in the world like China.

Where people don't even have basic freedoms CO2 doesn't even seem to be
an issue. It's because they don't have an economy to crush so it can be
controlled, because there is no wealth to extract from the people by
taxes or any other means. It's already in the hands of the elite.

And before someone yaps up that poor china cannot afford pollution
controls, look at how much in US dollars alone they hold. They could
easily buy all the modern pollution controls. (which of course would
probably mostly come from US companies and help the US economy)

But it isn't about the environment, it's about power, control, and
wealth.

> The amount of ethanol and biodiesel from
> soy beans alone may amount to more neutral CO2
> fuel than the efforts at conservation or any effort
> by any other country.

Of course. And the US started cleaning things up earlier as well.

> And we have to try to do all this while about
> 2 million people every year abandon their homeland
> to come here to try to find a better life and be free
> of centralized government restrictions and interference
> in their lives.

The whole thing makes more sense when you put it into the context of
destroying the grand experiment in liberty and taking back the wealth
that it created that was better split amung the population than any other
previous nation.

All that said, given the total radiation output of the sun, the warming
of other planets, and other solar and solar system events that are
abnormal to say the least, I have serious doubts that the primary driver is
human produced CO2.

No, I will not argue this tired topic again just because some people got
together to announce their pre-determined conclusions. Google stuff up if
you don't want to believe me.

02-02-2007, 12:44 PM

Mauried wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:12:28 -0600, Logan Shaw
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote:
>
>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>>> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
>>> humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
>>> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>> Others simply post spam and troll messages to Usenet, thus wasting
>> electricity on the thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of
>> thousands?) of Usenet servers worldwide.
>>
>> - Logan
>
> It really doesnt matter whether mankind is or isnt causing global
> warming because there simply is no solution to a global problem.
> The world is comprised of some 190 countries all with their own
> Governments who will all do their own thing and there will be no
> agreement about what should be done, ever.
> The world has no mechanism for solving a global problem.
> How is anyone going to stop a country like China from building its
> 500 coal fired power stations.
>
>
Considering that countries like China don't give a damn and the
situation does, in fact get worse, the global warming phenomena might
make the weather wildly unpredictable to the point of taking out most of
humanity. I have seen things like tornadoes here in California that were
once considered impossible ten or twenty years ago. The planet might
just decide to scratch us 'fleas' off.
Bill Baka

02-02-2007, 12:54 PM

Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> Mauried wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:12:28 -0600, Logan Shaw
>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote:
>>
>>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>>>> Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who
>>>> among humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive
>>>> Stupid Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.
>>> Others simply post spam and troll messages to Usenet, thus wasting
>>> electricity on the thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of
>>> thousands?) of Usenet servers worldwide.
>>>
>>> - Logan
>>
>> It really doesnt matter whether mankind is or isnt causing global
>> warming because there simply is no solution to a global problem.
>> The world is comprised of some 190 countries all with their own
>> Governments who will all do their own thing and there will be no
>> agreement about what should be done, ever.
>> The world has no mechanism for solving a global problem.
>> How is anyone going to stop a country like China from building its
>> 500 coal fired power stations.

> Considering that countries like China don't give a damn and the situation does, in fact get worse,
> the global warming phenomena might make the weather wildly unpredictable

Not a chance. We've seen MUCH bigger variations in world temps in the past.

> to the point of taking out most of humanity.

Not a chance. Even the ice ages didnt manage to do that.

> I have seen things like tornadoes here in California that were once considered impossible ten or
> twenty years ago.

And those didnt even get close to taking out most of humanity.

> The planet might just decide to scratch us 'fleas' off.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

02-02-2007, 01:04 PM

On 2007-02-01, donquijote1954 <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
> Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.

Quibble: all humans pollute (what happens to your waste? Where does your
food come from?), but some pollute to a greater extent than others.

> And how about those who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's
> no safe place for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know.

As a bicycle commuter myself, I can commiserate with you. Automobiles in
general are a very energy-inefficient means of transporting people and
public transportation should be encouraged as a way (not the only way!)
to reduce overall energy consumption. A huge amount of resources are
dedicated to providing infrastructure to an automobile society. If we
can reduce dependence on automobiles not only will it become easier for
pedestrians and bicyclists, but money can be freed for other worthwhile
projects to make our urban areas safer for everybody.

--

John ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ].org)