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02-07-2007, 12:05 PM

"Wayne Pein" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com> wrote in message
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> no spam wrote:
>
>> Top posting to save time.
>>
>> How have you lived this long with expectations this high? Being a
>> motorcycle rider I expect the opposite, 100% of the car drivers are out
>> there to kill me. That type of thinking has saved many times.
>
> Wow. How do you go anywhere with such paranoia? And if all car drivers

I get there alive. Just because people call you paranoid it doesn't mean
someone out there isn't out there who can kill you.

> were out to kill you, how is it they haven't? Are they that inept, like
> the bad guys in the movie "Commando," unable to hit the side of a barn?

Simple, I don't give them the chance to do it easy. I don't pull out in
front of cars with their turn signals on until they slow down and I see
their wheels turning. I look both ways as I approach every intersection
even if I have right of way or the green light. I keep an eye on the backup
and taillights on cars in parking lots. Stay alert and stay alive.

02-07-2007, 12:09 PM

no spam wrote:

>>Roads are designed with a stopping sight distance such that lawful drivers
>>are able to come to a complete stop prior to striking a stationary object.
>>A vehicle moving in the same direction provides a margin for error, and
>>the following driver need only slow to that speed (rather than stop) to
>>avoid collision.
>
>
> Maybe in the wonderful land where you drive roads are built this way but not
> in the places I have lived. I could take you to the county I used to live
> in and show you 5 curves (two in state highways, three on paved county
> roads) within 10 minutes of my house where there is NO way you could avoid
> hitting a stationary object if you were doing half the posted limit. Add to
> that the fact that even on the straight runs there are places where there
> are dips that could hide a stalled tractor trailer.
>
> One infamous place, on a state highway, is called redtop. It has an
> intersection about 100 yards from the top of a hill. If there is a car
> waiting to turn left and two or three cars are behind him stopped and you
> top that hill doing the posted 55 mph you have about 50 yards to stop.
>

Such locations are supposed to have reduced speed warning signs so that
stopping from the reduced speed is possible. If these signs don't exist,
the transportation engineer in charge should be notified.

Wayne

02-07-2007, 12:35 PM

>>>> I think having them ride a bike, the vehicle Jesus would have
>>>> ridden,
>>> ...
>>> By all reports, Jesus walked, went boating and (on special occasions)
>>> sat on a young ass.

>>
>> IOW, he used the transportation of the day.
>
> Pity that bikes arent that.

Depends on where you are. Seems to me that they are in some cities. I used
to have a vid clip of an Asian city showing what looked thousands of bikes
on a round about. I don't think there's a US city with that many bikes in
total much less on the road at the same time.

Of course bikes aren't much use for us who live in the middle of no where.

02-07-2007, 12:35 PM

>>> The Pope is just the figurehead of the church and does not make many
>>> decisions. It is the Cardinals that tell the Pope what to say.
>
>> IIRC, the church still says he and his rulings are perfect and must be
>> followed.
>
> Its much more complicated than that, most obviously when the rulings
> change over time.

Not really, you have rules and if you are a true <insert something here> you
follow the rules.

>
>> Heck most of the Catholics I know don't even follow their own rules.
>
> And you dont 'think' that the church isnt well aware of that ?

Seems they don't care as long as they keep getting money from the
non-Catholic Catholics. In a lot of cases it has become a joke, allowing 30
year marriages with 5 kids to be annulled so someone can get married 'in the
church' but not allowing divorce.

>>>> True Christians have two rules to follow (if someone isn't following
>>>> them then it doesn't matter what name they use) those rules are: Love
>>>> God completely and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
>
>>> You missed 60's and love, love, love.
>
>> Still a lot of hate there.
>
> Just another of your silly little fantasys.

Really? Weren't there several lynchings in the 60's? How many military
people did you hug and say you loved in the 60's? Yeah, I guess I'm just
fantasizing all that.

>> Racist have a lot of love, as long as you are the right color.
>
> Most of them dont.

Sure they do, just read their literature on how much they love themselves.

>
>>>> One last thing, Christ told us we are to spread the Word but if the
>>>> people don't want to hear or believe then we are to knock the dust
>>>> off our feet and never visit them again. Its up to them at that
>>>> point. As I have told many people talking about religions, any
>>>> religion which has to use force to keep its people from hearing
>>>> other preachings is most likely a false religion because a religion
>>>> of a God that could make the universe can easily stand up to a few
>>>> words or thoughts.
>
>>> Actually, I wish it were that simple, but it is not.
>>> What exactly is Iraq, a holy war, an anti-terrorist war, or an oil war??
>
>> All.
>
> Nope, it aint a holy war for starters.

Tell that to the Sunnis who are killing the Shiite or the Shiite who are
killing the Sunnies or others who believe they have to kill the infidels.
Look at how many

>
>> The terrorists are using false religious teachings to recruit people for
>> a 'holy war' for control of the oil and the money it brings.

> Have fun explaining the terrorists from countrys that have no oil.

Frist off there's no need. We are talking about why the terrorist want
control of Iraq. But because you asked its simple they get money from
terrorist who get money from oil or poppies.

>
>> The more money they have the faster they can force their religion on the
>> rest of the world under the threat of terrorist and death.
>
> It aint about money.

Everything is about money. Without money nothing happens in this world.
They are told that their religion is the only correct religion and they are
to force it upon the rest of the unbelieving world. Can't do that w/o
money.

>> As I have said, if you have to threaten your followers with death to
>> keep them following your religion then you are following a false
>> religion.
>
> There is no such animal as a 'true' religion.

Sure there is, even in the human view of the world. A true religion is one
that allows people to make their own decisions of how to live but shows how
that life should be lived. A true follower of Christ does just that. There
are others who do, I disagree with them but once they have heard the truth
as I see is they must make their own decision on how to live. If I think
you are going to Hell I'll tell you and tell you what you can do to prevent
it. But I will never try to force you, by physical force or by using the
police power of the state, to change.

>> Do you follow my line of thought?
>
> No such animal. Just the usual mindless fundy raving.

IOW, you are nothing more than a closed minded bigot who thinks he's the
only one who knows what right in the world.

02-07-2007, 12:45 PM

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:42:04 -0500, "R.H. Allen" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>You're just describing the centuries-old rift between Catholics and
>Protestants (some of whom, primarily Lutherans, still accept the primacy
>of the Pope). If I were Catholic I'm sure we could get into a heated
>debate about it.

I assume that you somehow mean that SOME Lutherans accept the primacy
of the Pope. While I am not aware of any, and am aware that the three
largest Lutheran churches in the U.S. do not, I guess it could be
true. Like to hear the name of the Lutheran Church and where it is
located. It could be true, but I doubt it.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

02-07-2007, 12:46 PM

>>>> True Christians have two rules to follow (if someone isn't following
>>>> them then it doesn't matter what name they use) those rules are:
>>>> Love God completely and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
>
>>> How odd that that fool that was stupid enough to get
>>> nailed up by the romans didnt say anything like that.
>
>> Your ignorance is showing, where do you think it comes from?
>
> Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> That fool never ever said that there are just those two rules.

Really, what other rules did he say there were?

Try reading the Bible yourself. You will find out.

>>>> One last thing, Christ told us we are to spread the Word but if the
>>>> people don't want to hear or believe then we are to knock the dust
>>>> off our feet and never visit them again. Its up to them at that point.
>
>>> Or that either.
>
>> Nearly a direct quote from the 'Christian manual'.
>
> Bare faced lie. That fool said a hell of a lot more than that on that
> matter.

Again you are showing your ignroance. We, Christians, are told to spread
the word but if the people who hear the word turn a deaf ear we are to leave
them. I know it won't do any good because you have shown yourself to be a
closed minded bigot but read Matthew chapter 10 verses 11-14.

>> FYI, a religion does not need to believe in an all powerful god. Many of
>> them 'worship' a man or idea.
>
> That aint a religion, fool.

You are the fool if you can believe that. What's the difference in praying
to a tree or some man claiming to be a profit or saying he has the way to
perfection? Remember the nuts who thought the space ship was following the
comet? Are you saying they were not a religion?

02-07-2007, 01:02 PM

no spam <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>>>>> True Christians have two rules to follow (if someone isn't following them then it doesn't
>>>>> matter what name they use) those rules are: Love God completely and love your neighbor as you
>>>>> love yourself.

>>>> How odd that that fool that was stupid enough to get
>>>> nailed up by the romans didnt say anything like that.

>>> Your ignorance is showing, where do you think it comes from?

>> Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

>> That fool never ever said that there are just those two rules.

> Really,

Yep.

> what other rules did he say there were?

Even you cant actually be THAT stupid.

> Try reading the Bible yourself.

Been there, done that, likely before you were even born thanks.

> You will find out.

Been there, done that, likely before you were even born thanks.

>>>>> One last thing, Christ told us we are to spread the Word but if the people don't want to hear
>>>>> or believe then we are to knock the dust off our feet and never visit them again. Its up to
>>>>> them at that point.

>>>> Or that either.

>>> Nearly a direct quote from the 'Christian manual'.

>> Bare faced lie. That fool said a hell of a lot more than that on that matter.

> Again you are showing your ignroance.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

> We, Christians, are told to spread the word but if the people who hear the word turn a deaf ear we
> are to leave them.

Pig ignorant lie. Have fun explaining what that fool did with the money changers.

> I know it won't do any good because you have
> shown yourself to be a closed minded bigot

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

> but read Matthew chapter 10 verses 11-14.

Irrelevant to the other stuff that fool DID that is nothing like that.

>>> FYI, a religion does not need to believe in an all powerful god. Many of them 'worship' a man or
>>> idea.

>> That aint a religion, fool.

> You are the fool if you can believe that.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

> What's the difference in praying to a tree or some man claiming to be a profit or saying he has
> the way to perfection?

An idea aint a religion, fool.

> Remember the nuts who thought the space ship was following the comet? Are you saying they were
> not a religion?

Irrelevant to whether an idea is a religion, fool.

02-07-2007, 01:04 PM

>>> oil long enough to catch bin laden what makes you think
>
>> We will never admit it if we "catch bin laden" nor will we admit if we
>> kill him.
>
> Have fun explaining what happened to Saddam.

Simple Saddam was not the leader of a religious sect who united and
controlled his followers using their religious beliefs. He was a thug who
ruled a country by paying good money to other thugs to keep the people in
fear. By showing the people that he was dead you showed them that he wasn't
going to make a political come back.

>> If we catch him he has a nice public trial, we are the US remember,
>
> Have fun explaining what has happened to so many of his associates,
> many of them have just been killed and their bodies displayed.

Simple, they are nothing more than soldiers who were easily replaced. They
were not the brains and political leader of the movement.

>
>> to preach his msg and will be a magnet for even more nut cases.
>
> Have fun explaining what happened to Saddam.

did that.

>> If we kill him and hold up his body for the world to see he becomes
>> martyr and hero for his cause.
>
> Have fun explaining what happened to Saddam.

See above

>> His msg will be fewer and fewer and longer between each then he will
>> just disappear. After we have sucked all the intel from tracking him.
>
> We'll see...

We have been seeing have we not?

>> Ever wonder how we know just which house or car to blow up to kill his
>> subordinates?
>
> It aint that way.

Sure it is. How many of these people have been killed in specific strikes?
We have intel on where they are and make that place disappear.

>> Ever wonder how someone who is such a smart person he can not be found
>> even with a multimillion dollar reward on his head can't get out a
>> cassette tapes with a speeches on a regular basis to rally his troops?
>
> Makes a lot more sense to just keep everyone guessing.
>
> Rabid fanatics like that don't need cassette tapes with speeches.

Sure they do. Only a small number of them are true rabid fanatics. With
the rest if you don't keep rallying the troops they start to fade from the
fight.

> He didnt bother with speeches even before 9/11

yes he did, we just weren't listening.

>> I do and I wonder if he's dead now and we are the ones producing the
>> tapes we are hearing.
>
> Mindlessly silly conspiracy theory.

But you do have to wonder don't you? Here's a man with millions of dollars
at his finger tips and is so smart that the US, UK, and others can't find
him but the best he can do is a few hard to hear tapes?
>
>> After all its the FBI saying how each tape is really him.
>
> No it isnt.
>

02-07-2007, 01:18 PM

no spam wrote:
....
> Of course bikes aren't much use for us who live in the middle of no where.

I believe the next step up from a bike is a moped or small engine
motorcycle. The distinction between these two is often very blurry.
I've heard of some countries where these are very popular because
cars are too big and expensive.

Anthony

02-07-2007, 01:21 PM

no spam <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>>>> The Pope is just the figurehead of the church and does not make
>>>> many decisions. It is the Cardinals that tell the Pope what to say.

>>> IIRC, the church still says he and his rulings are perfect and must be followed.

It doesnt even say that. Only a microscopic subset
of his pontifications are even claimed to be infallible.

>> Its much more complicated than that, most obviously when the rulings change over time.

> Not really,

Corse it is.

> you have rules and if you are a true <insert something here> you follow the rules.

Its nothing like as black and white as that mindlessly superficial line.

A hell of a lot of what protestantism is about isnt about 'rules'

>>> Heck most of the Catholics I know don't even follow their own rules.

>> And you dont 'think' that the church isnt well aware of that ?

> Seems they don't care as long as they keep getting money from the non-Catholic Catholics.

It aint primarily about money.

> In a lot of cases it has become a joke, allowing 30 year marriages with 5 kids to be annulled so
> someone can get married 'in the church' but not allowing divorce.

Sure, but thats got nothing to do with money.

Thats just the usual mindless copout when one 'rule' conflicts with another.

Plenty of examples of that with protestants too,
most obviously with the execution of abortionists.

>>>>> True Christians have two rules to follow (if someone isn't
>>>>> following them then it doesn't matter what name they use) those rules are: Love God completely
>>>>> and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

>>>> You missed 60's and love, love, love.

>>> Still a lot of hate there.

>> Just another of your silly little fantasys.

> Really?

Yep.

> Weren't there several lynchings in the 60's?

Not by those spewing that love ****.

> How many military people did you hug and say you loved in the 60's?

Never been into stupid stuff like that.

> Yeah, I guess I'm just fantasizing all that.

Or havent got a clue about what was being discussed.

>>> Racist have a lot of love, as long as you are the right color.

>> Most of them dont.

> Sure they do, just read their literature on how much they love themselves.

Pathetic.

>>>>> One last thing, Christ told us we are to spread the Word but if
>>>>> the people don't want to hear or believe then we are to knock the
>>>>> dust off our feet and never visit them again. Its up to them at
>>>>> that point. As I have told many people talking about religions,
>>>>> any religion which has to use force to keep its people from
>>>>> hearing other preachings is most likely a false religion because
>>>>> a religion of a God that could make the universe can easily stand
>>>>> up to a few words or thoughts.

>>>> Actually, I wish it were that simple, but it is not.
>>>> What exactly is Iraq, a holy war, an anti-terrorist war, or an oil war??

>>> All.

>> Nope, it aint a holy war for starters.

> Tell that to the Sunnis who are killing the Shiite or the Shiite who are killing the Sunnies

That aint a holy war.

> or others who believe they have to kill the infidels.

There are **** all of those too.

> Look at how many

>>> The terrorists are using false religious teachings to recruit people for a 'holy war' for
>>> control of the oil and the money it brings.

>> Have fun explaining the terrorists from countrys that have no oil.

> Frist off there's no need. We are talking about why the terrorist want control of Iraq.

No we arent.

> But because you asked its simple they get money from terrorist who get money from oil or poppies.

Wrong again. There's plenty of terrorists where there is no oil or poppies.

>>> The more money they have the faster they can force their religion
>>> on the rest of the world under the threat of terrorist and death.

>> It aint about money.

> Everything is about money.

Just another mindlessly silly fantasy.

> Without money nothing happens in this world.

Just another mindlessly silly fantasy.

Have fun explaining what that fool who was stupid enough
to get nailed up by the romans had to say about that.

> They are told that their religion is the only correct religion

Another pig ignorant lie.

> and they are to force it upon the rest of the unbelieving world.

Another pig ignorant lie.

> Can't do that w/o money.

Another pig ignorant lie.

>>> As I have said, if you have to threaten your followers with death to
>>> keep them following your religion then you are following a false religion.

>> There is no such animal as a 'true' religion.

> Sure there is, even in the human view of the world.

Another pig ignorant lie.

> A true religion is one that allows people to make their own decisions of how to live but shows how
> that life should be lived.

Another pig ignorant lie.

> A true follower of Christ does just that.

Another pig ignorant lie.

> There are others who do, I disagree with them but once they have heard the truth as I see is they
> must make their own decision on how to live.

They ignore your mindless **** because they have noticed that you dont have a clue.

> If I think you are going to Hell I'll tell you and tell you what you can do to prevent it.

And I'll tell you to shove it where the sun dont shine.

> But I will never try to force you, by physical force or by using the police power of the state, to
> change.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

>>> Do you follow my line of thought?

>> No such animal. Just the usual mindless fundy raving.

> IOW, you are nothing more than a closed minded bigot who thinks he's the only one who knows what
> right in the world.

You'll burn child. That fool that was stupid enough to get nailed up by the
romans said very unambiguously indeed that you cant do that sort of thing.

Just another rabid fundy that cant even manage to work out what that
fool who was stupid enough to get nailed up by the romans told him to do.