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02-08-2007, 04:43 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
<bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote:
>
>Practically every police agency in the nation has data indicating that
>almost *all* vehicular "accidents" (GOD, I HATE that term) are
>AVOIDABLE.

Do they, now?

>That means that when "accidents" happen, they happen because drivers
>don't want to avoid them.

Hmm. There's a premise and a conclusion... but nothing joining them.

>Ergo, most "accidents" happen because the
>driver at fault wishes, at some level, for them to happen.

Well, this conclusion appears to follow from the last one, but it's
still out on a little island of fantasy.
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result in a fully-depreciated one.

02-08-2007, 05:16 PM

Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> no spam wrote:
>>>>>> We don't, but until you start considering forced abortions,
>>>>>> genocide and euthenasia, there's not much we can do about the
>>>>>> population. Are those options acceptable to you?
>>>>> I would prefer to limit the baby factories somehow, whether trough
>>>>> education or, if need be, by a fertility inhibitor in the food.
>>>>> Now the choice would be food and no children or children and
>>>>> starve.
>>>> And who gets to pick the breeders? What criteria do we use? Do
>>>> we only allow the 'perfect' people to breed?
>>> It isn't a popular subject but over the last 20 years or so we have
>>> been handing out welfare to the lowest achievers and paying them to
>>> have more of the same. The over achievers some times never have
>>> kids because they are the "I want it all" mindset. So our
>>> population is coming mainly from bottom of the barrel. That's
>>> "Reverse evolution" to me.
>>
>> First, you failed to answer my main questions, who gets to pick who
>> breeds?
>
> Whoever controls the military, as in politicians.
>>
>>
>>> Care to comment on the obvious?
>>
>> Sure, short sighted politicians learned that they could buy their
>> offices by giving tax dollars to voters and short sighted people who
>> think its cruel to 1) make people work for there free money and 2)
>> to make people live with the consequences of their actions and bad
>> choices. Poverty is almost always a result of bad choices. People choose to
>> not work in school. People choose to have kids when they know they
>> can't afford them. People choose to drop out of school. People
>> choose to sell drugs to make a fast buck. People choose to screw up
>> their lives why should I be FORCED to pay to "fix" their problems?

> Bad choices is electing politicians who don't have a clue, or those
> who should have retired long ago. I didn't invent welfare but those
> that are on it have obviously learned how to milk the system.

That will happen with any welfare system with some of them.

> Now that we have a glut of school aged children

No you dont.

> everybody is complaining about not enough schools,

No they arent.

> yet nobody is addressing the main issue.

Wrong again.

02-08-2007, 05:18 PM

Wayne Pein wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Have you ever actually driven a motorcycle? You've never seen somebody
>> deliberately open a door in front of you? Yeah, I know that's what
>> happened -- the little ****head was looking right at me and laughing
>> when he did it.
>
> When I ride my motorcycle or my bicycle, I do not operate in the Door
> Zone, therefore suddenly opening doors are irrelevant to me. Where you
> operate within the lane is a basic element of cycling safety.

We've had this discussion before. I will take the lane when there is no
room for a car to pass me safely within the lane, but move back to the
right as soon as practicable. Anything else is just rudeness. The door
zone is part of the bicycle lane, sometimes you can't avoid it.

You don't split lanes on your motorcycle in heavy/stopped traffic?

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Cheers, Bev
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02-08-2007, 05:23 PM

In article <45cb56e9$0$24693$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Wayne Pein wrote:
>Don Klipstein wrote:
>
>> In article <45ca0bfa$0$5056$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Oh no, here we go again! "Giving" cyclists their own lane is like
>>>putting American Indians on their own reservations. It's really being
>>>friendly to motorists.
>>
>>
>> How then do you rate what all has happened to the West Philadelphia
>> portion of Walnut Street?
>>
>> That street used to have 3 lanes, except 4 during evening rush hour,
>> all westbound. The street is one way westbound with the right curb lane
>> in the past being a traffic lane during evening rush as opposed to being a
>> parking lane.
>>
>> Now the curb lane is a parking lane 24/7. The next-rightmost lane is
>> now a bike lane. The remaining two traffic lanes got widened (the
>> previously designated lanes were on the narrow side) due to one traffic
>> lane being restricted to bikes.
>>
>> So now that the parking got increased at a time when Phi8ladelphia
>> decided to tolerate double parking, the bike lane sometimes has cars
>> parked on it.
>
>OK, so here's a situation where it was made worse for both street users.

When I find times that the bike lane is lacking double parked cars, it
sure is a lot easier for bikes than it was before the bike lane was put in
place. All Philadelphia needs is a little traffic law enforcement.

Even with the usual rate of double parked cars, Walnut St is a little
more favorable for bikes than before. Yoy snipped out where I said that
to say Walnut Street got worse for both street users. For reference, the
article where I said that and which you above quoted in part is
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>

Let me tell you what life for me on a bike is like on a busy
Philadelphia street without a bike lane if the lanes are on the narow
side. This is the current situation on the portion of Chestnut Street
west of 38th. Roughly once a year a car grazes me or a car's right side
mirror taps my posterior!

- Don Klipstein ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ])

02-08-2007, 06:16 PM

Don Klipstein wrote:
> In article <45cb56e9$0$24693$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>>Don Klipstein wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <45ca0bfa$0$5056$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Wayne Pein wrote:
>>
>>>>Oh no, here we go again! "Giving" cyclists their own lane is like
>>>>putting American Indians on their own reservations. It's really being
>>>>friendly to motorists.
>>>
>>>
>>> How then do you rate what all has happened to the West Philadelphia
>>>portion of Walnut Street?
>>>
>>> That street used to have 3 lanes, except 4 during evening rush hour,
>>>all westbound. The street is one way westbound with the right curb lane
>>>in the past being a traffic lane during evening rush as opposed to being a
>>>parking lane.
>>>
>>> Now the curb lane is a parking lane 24/7. The next-rightmost lane is
>>>now a bike lane. The remaining two traffic lanes got widened (the
>>>previously designated lanes were on the narrow side) due to one traffic
>>>lane being restricted to bikes.
>>>
>>> So now that the parking got increased at a time when Phi8ladelphia
>>>decided to tolerate double parking, the bike lane sometimes has cars
>>>parked on it.
>>
>>OK, so here's a situation where it was made worse for both street users.
>
>
> When I find times that the bike lane is lacking double parked cars, it
> sure is a lot easier for bikes than it was before the bike lane was put in
> place.

Where lanes are narrow I use the full lane and force motorists to wait
behind me. So for me, there is no easier or harder roads. There is
always plenty of room for my 2 foot wide bike.

Wayne

02-08-2007, 06:32 PM

The Real Bev wrote:

> Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> Have you ever actually driven a motorcycle? You've never seen
>>> somebody deliberately open a door in front of you? Yeah, I know
>>> that's what happened -- the little ****head was looking right at me
>>> and laughing when he did it.
>>
>>
>> When I ride my motorcycle or my bicycle, I do not operate in the Door
>> Zone, therefore suddenly opening doors are irrelevant to me. Where you
>> operate within the lane is a basic element of cycling safety.
>
>
> We've had this discussion before. I will take the lane when there is no
> room for a car to pass me safely within the lane, but move back to the
> right as soon as practicable.

A better term is Use the Full Lane. Take the lane implies stealing.

Anything else is just rudeness. The door
> zone is part of the bicycle lane, sometimes you can't avoid it.

Sure you can. Ride in the real lane and reject the rudeness that is Door
Zone bike lanes.

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> You don't split lanes on your motorcycle in heavy/stopped traffic?
>

I would if I encountered a situation where it would be an advantage, but
that is not the case for my motorcycling.

Wayne

02-08-2007, 07:03 PM

Wayne Pein wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Wayne Pein wrote:
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you ever actually driven a motorcycle? You've never seen
>>>> somebody deliberately open a door in front of you? Yeah, I know
>>>> that's what happened -- the little ****head was looking right at me
>>>> and laughing when he did it.
>>>
>>> When I ride my motorcycle or my bicycle, I do not operate in the Door
>>> Zone, therefore suddenly opening doors are irrelevant to me. Where you
>>> operate within the lane is a basic element of cycling safety.
>>
>> We've had this discussion before. I will take the lane when there is no
>> room for a car to pass me safely within the lane, but move back to the
>> right as soon as practicable.
>
> A better term is Use the Full Lane. Take the lane implies stealing.

Whatever. I thought *I* was the only on allowed to pick nits around here...

>> Anything else is just rudeness. The door
>> zone is part of the bicycle lane, sometimes you can't avoid it.
>
> Sure you can. Ride in the real lane and reject the rudeness that is Door
> Zone bike lanes.

Sorry, I really don't want to risk altercations with cellphone-blabbing
COWS oblivious to anything happening outside their SUVs. Yeah, it's a
stereotype, but whenever I notice a particularly clueless bit of
"driving" more often than not it seems to have been done by a
cell-talking woman.

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Cheers, Bev
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02-08-2007, 09:54 PM

Rod Speed wrote:
> Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> Bad choices is electing politicians who don't have a clue, or those
>> who should have retired long ago. I didn't invent welfare but those
>> that are on it have obviously learned how to milk the system.
>
> That will happen with any welfare system with some of them.
>
>> Now that we have a glut of school aged children
>
> No you dont.
>
>> everybody is complaining about not enough schools,
>
> No they arent.
>
>> yet nobody is addressing the main issue.
>
> Wrong again.

You must not live anywhere near California.
My grandkids have to attend schools that are not only substandard but
where guns have been found on students. The reason my kids are affected
comes from a greedy real estate developer who has had a plot of dirt
with a sign saying "Proposed school". Somebody should have told these
jerks that the houses will be proposed until they build the "proposed"
school. The "Proposed" park got built, but now that a few hundred houses
have been sold to family types the schools are overcrowded and the
"proposed" school has not yet started. Of course a few blocks away a
horde of Mexicans is building still more houses.
I would say that is a problem with the county officials either
completely blowing it, or getting their pockets lines to ignore the obvious.
Bill Baka
>
>

02-08-2007, 10:14 PM

Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote

>>> Bad choices is electing politicians who don't have a clue, or those
>>> who should have retired long ago. I didn't invent welfare but those
>>> that are on it have obviously learned how to milk the system.

>> That will happen with any welfare system with some of them.

>>> Now that we have a glut of school aged children

>> No you dont.

>>> everybody is complaining about not enough schools,

>> No they arent.

>>> yet nobody is addressing the main issue.

>> Wrong again.

> You must not live anywhere near California.

That hasnt happened even in california.

> My grandkids have to attend schools that are not only substandard but where guns have been found
> on students.

Sure but that is immigrants, not the welfare system that has produced that.

> The reason my kids are affected comes from a greedy real estate developer who has had a plot of
> dirt with a sign saying "Proposed school". Somebody should have told these jerks that the houses
> will be proposed until they build the "proposed" school.

Nothing to do with your claims about the welfare system.

> The "Proposed" park got built, but now that a few hundred houses have been sold to family types
> the schools are overcrowded and
> the "proposed" school has not yet started. Of course a few blocks
> away a horde of Mexicans is building still more houses.

Nothing to do with your claims about the welfare system.

> I would say that is a problem with the county officials either completely blowing it, or getting
> their pockets lines to ignore the obvious.

Still nothing to do with your claims about the welfare system.

02-09-2007, 04:44 AM

"Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:c6Pyh.19782: >

: Side note, since this is a bicycle group that got
contaminated.
: Talking about efficiency, compare a regular bike with
a streamlined
: recumbent and the recumbent will always be faster
with the same rider
: fitness level. Why? Less air to push. Starting,
stopping, and hills make
: for a great equalizer.
: Bill Baka

I am on the renewable energy site. Since few roads are
level or straight around here, there is a lot more
positive and negative acceleration required driving
these rolling hills. Around Atlanta the heavier the car
the more fuel it will use.

peace
dawg.