"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong - Page 61

02-09-2007, 07:30 PM

Mark Hickey wrote (of/to Iron Bill "Ernest T" Baka):

> ... I can only
> conclude that you're making this stuff up again. Y'know Bill, I'm
> really starting to worry about any tenuous connection you're still
> maintaining with reality - it seems to be slipping away with every
> post. Better go get a big dose of reality somewhere quick before you
> slip irreversibly into lala land.

Having just watched "The Ring II" (it, like, totally sucked dude), I think
arguing with Bill Baka is like watching that stupid video tape. You know it
will make you nuts, but...

Bill "better you than me, Hickster" S.

02-09-2007, 07:33 PM

Joe Fischer <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> On Sat, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> ..........
>> With 9 billion people all competing for space and paving
>> over every thing in sight,
>
> You need to get out more, except for a few places
> like close to Manhattan, Los Angeles, Miami, etc., people
> often get lost in the woods.
>
>> plus deforestation,
>
> There are a lot more trees being planted than
> cut down, the big deforestation period was the century
> before coal was available at low cost.
>
>> plus the jet travel,
>> something will have to give.
>
> Because of a lack of affordable energy, not
> a lack of space. It was 30 F here this afternoon,
> and driving past the cement plant, I turned off the
> climate control in my car to prevent the white dust
> on the road near the cement plant getting in the car,
> and when I turned it back on, the air conditioning
> came on for a minute, the sun was warming the
> car, but it wasn't noticeable with automatic climate
> control.
>
> That makes me wonder, on a cold morning
> I set the climate control for 78 F, could that be what
> they are talking about on TV, I used to set it at 74.

Nar, that's just you getting older.

Well know effect with nursing homes, the geriatrics
feel the cold much more than everyone else.

You see it with little kids in spades, they're happy to go
swimming at temperatures no sane adult will swim at.

Its basically changes to the metabolic rate.

>> It will either be starvation, war, or a fast spreading
>> new disease, but something WILL happen.

> It always has, but the conditions that are a problem today is almost
> total reliance on the commercial sector for space heating, and in
> cold country, that can be a big problem at any moment.

Not really.

> A least with a big house, when things get really cold and
> there is no electric, oil, or natural gas, one or two rooms
> might be enough wood to last the rest of the winter when
> it will be warm enough to start walking south. :-)

You'd be a lot better warming yourself by whipping yourself.

Dont have to move then.

02-09-2007, 09:22 PM

In article <du7ps2pskh21b1j0hec6br7odhbagpfedv@4ax.com>, dgk wrote:
>On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:31:04 GMT, "no spam" <no@spam.net> wrote:
>
>>Poverty is almost always a result of bad choices. People choose to not work
>>in school. People choose to have kids when they know they can't afford
>>them. People choose to drop out of school. People choose to sell drugs to
>>make a fast buck. People choose to screw up their lives why should I be
>>FORCED to pay to "fix" their problems?
>
>When I was a kid I attended PS 3 in the Bronx (NYC). In the middle of
>second grade my parents scraped together enough money to move us to
>Queens, and a better school district. They evaluated me and were going
>to place me in the "slow" classes because I was already way behind
>reading level. My parents talked them into putting me in the regular
>classes and within a few months I was ahead of reading level and going
>into the "gifted" classes.
>
>My parents attended an open school night and the principal asked them
>just what was going on in that school in the Bronx that I kid like me
>was behind reading level. I don't know that they could answer the
>question.
>
>That was over 40 years ago. I suspect my life would be very different
>if I wasn't lucky enough to get out of PS 3. Your argument that
>poverty is almost always a result of bad choices is simplistic. It
>takes a very special person to climb out of a crappy environment. It
>happens, but lots of good people get stuck.

I have heard how things have a high rate of going wrong in public
schools where over 20% of the students are from families that have
generally been in poverty. I see one reason being popularity of "lowest
common denominator" cultural forces, and a related reason being popularity
of making bad choices when enough others do so.
There is such a thing as a "poverty culture". And children from such a
"poverty culture" have a high rate of not paying attention in class, not
doing homework, being disruptive, and cutting classes and outright truancy,
especially after 5th grade. This is highly because their parents do not
keep these kids on the straight-and-narrow and all-too-often do not
adequately value education but blame their poverty disproportionately on
factors other than lack of getting an available education.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

02-10-2007, 07:45 AM

Brent P wrote:

> Of course I'm a flatlander here in IL, so those are about the biggest
> downhills I've ever had to deal with. I would doubt an urban hill would
> be worse, but all I've seen of San-Fran in person was from the air and the
> airport, so I wouldn't know how bad the hills there are.

I drove down Lombard Street in the van. Manual brakes and steering,
auto trans in low. I was terrified that my right leg would give out
before we got to the bottom and my right leg was weak for the next day
or so. Google earth doesn't do it justice.

--
Cheers, Bev
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02-10-2007, 08:01 AM

Rod Speed wrote:
> Joe Fischer <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
>> Rod Speed <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
>>
>>> And the results the catholic systemic schools get
>>> shows that it aint really about money anyway.
>
>> It is when the liberal federal government sets the
>> requirements for redistribution of collected taxes.
>
> No it isnt when those schools get much better
> results with much less money per brat.

BUT -- the Catholic schools, like all private schools, are free to kick
out students who aren't willing to work or play by the rules. The
public schools have no such luxury -- they can kick kids out for weapons
violations and other similar hazards, but they have to accept the rest.

--
Cheers, Bev
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02-10-2007, 08:19 AM

Joshua Putnam <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> In article <f1%xh.288616$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...

>> Chicago is in the east?

Probably to most people in the United States, weatherman geography
sounds out of touch with reality.

> Though of course most people don't call it the east

With the exception of TV weatherpeople, hopefully most of us don't
use the term "midwest" when talking about Chicago's location.
Currently, apparently Merriam-Webster is calling Illinois "central"
United States.

> because standard U.S. vocabulary was set when there were 13 states
> and the rest of us were Territories.

Fortunately language isn't set in stone anymore. Language changes
continuously. The ability to adapt probably shows strength, and vice
versa.

Good luck and have fun.

02-10-2007, 09:47 AM

On Feb 9, 2:46 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>
> Like the Bible is supposed to say is "God helps he who helps himself",

That's not in the Bible.

That's a Calvinist thing - the same Calvinist idea that those that
*have* are blessed, and that those who *have not* have some sort of
character flaw, or are sinful. Also things not supported by
Scripture.

Southern Baptists are pretty highly Calvinist.

E.P.

02-10-2007, 02:47 PM

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What more do you want?

This is particularly interesting:

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02-10-2007, 03:14 PM

Bill Baka wrote:
>
> My brain is thinking that measuring Joules in terms of power might not
> be correct. I believe the definition of a Joule is a 1 Farad capacitor
> charged to 1 volt, but I can't remember if it is a valid way to measure
> power.

It can be defined a number of ways, all of them equivalent, and the most
convenient choice among the options typically depends on the
application. The bottom line is that it's a measure of energy, like
calories or BTUs, and the way that I used it here is the way "work" is
often defined in physics classes: the amount of energy required to lift
a one netwon weight one meter (or, equivalently, force applied times
distance moved). So in my example, 1N of force applied to a mass over a
distance of 1600m (one mile) equal 1600J of work. Of course, much more
energy than that may be expended in generating that 1N force, but the
amount of work done -- the amount of energy used to move the mass -- is
just 1600J per mile.

02-10-2007, 03:27 PM

Joe Fischer wrote:
> On Sat, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> ..........
>> With 9 billion people all competing for space and paving
>> over every thing in sight,
>
> You need to get out more, except for a few places
> like close to Manhattan, Los Angeles, Miami, etc., people
> often get lost in the woods.

The woods are getting harder to find.
>
>> plus deforestation,
>
> There are a lot more trees being planted than
> cut down, the big deforestation period was the century
> before coal was available at low cost.

I once read that there were woods in the 'now' prairies until settlers
came and 'tamed' the land. One book I read was dated 1911 and titled
"Man's control of the environment" and it was lamenting the loss of
natural primeval patches of forest. An environmental book a hundred
years ago. Who would have thought?? Obviously nobody paid attention.
As far as deforestation I was talking about the rain forests and other
areas that are having a population boom. If a few hundred square miles
of rain forest are burned do you think planting a few token trees is
going to make a difference?
>
>> plus the jet travel,
>> something will have to give.
>
> Because of a lack of affordable energy, not
> a lack of space. It was 30 F here this afternoon,
> and driving past the cement plant, I turned off the
> climate control in my car to prevent the white dust
> on the road near the cement plant getting in the car,
> and when I turned it back on, the air conditioning
> came on for a minute, the sun was warming the
> car, but it wasn't noticeable with automatic climate
> control.
>
> That makes me wonder, on a cold morning
> I set the climate control for 78 F, could that be what
> they are talking about on TV, I used to set it at 74.

I really don't think "Global warming" is the issue as much as "Global
smog". People have noticed in wooded areas that where once you could see
forever, now there is a permanent haze in the air, ahh, Globally.
>
>> It will either be starvation, war, or a
>> fast spreading new disease, but something WILL happen.
>
> It always has, but the conditions that are a problem
> today is almost total reliance on the commercial sector
> for space heating, and in cold country, that can be a
> big problem at any moment.
>
> A least with a big house, when things get
> really cold and there is no electric, oil, or natural gas,
> one or two rooms might be enough wood to last
> the rest of the winter when it will be warm enough
> to start walking south. :-)
>
> Joe Fischer
>
You don't need to tell me. I owned a 3,500 square foot house north of
Minneapolis and had 4 different types of heat. Propane, oil, electric
and wood burning stoves. I thought that was overkill until it got down
to 25 below zero and actually need to use 3 out of 4 to keep the house
anywhere near warm. I loved the snow but hated how much I had to spend
to keep it warm. Needless to say I moved back to California. I went
through about 3 cords of wood per month in addition to the rest.
Global what?
Not up there.
I think that it will be globally wild swings in the weather.
As far as we humans are concerned, I think that all the business and
vacation travel might spread some really nasty virus world wide. The flu
pandemic of 1918 would have killed maybe a billion today since we now
have the means to be anywhere on earth within about 12 hours on a plane.
Bill Baka