the bicycle is the smart way to go

02-06-2007, 08:16 AM

On Feb 5, 3:16 pm, "Rod Speed" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> Certainly much of the forests in western europe are now gone,
> and western europe manages fine without them anyway.

Depends where you cut trees down. Europe is a wet climate but in most
other places you get desertification...

"Current desertification is taking place much faster worldwide than
historically and usually arises from the demands of increased
populations that settle on the land in order to grow crops and graze
animals."

(awesome picture)

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Well, here in America you probably build malls and parking lots to
accomodate the SUVs for the happy consumers of products made in
China.
> > What are we willing to do to mitigate that possibility?
>
> It makes absolutely no sense to cripple the world's economys
> for something that isnt going to happen like that mindless claim
> about 'possible destruction of human existence'

We cripple Big Oil and promote Natural Capitalism, what's the big deal
about it?

"Natural Capitalism is so informative and provocative-and so
unfashionably optimistic about the future of the planet-that I wonder
why everyone in public life is not reading it and arguing over the
implications. The President did volunteer a nice plug for the book
when it came out a few months ago, but it has yet to be reviewed by
virtually any leading publication. Literary culture doesn't grasp the
high drama of industrial engineering. Newspaper editors, like other
Americans, are transfixed by business stories about moguls and
supermoguls from this gilded age and the previous one.

"The book will find its audience, regardless. It is that important.
The authors are setting out a boldly different framework for
understanding the ecological crisis.... This perspective has something
to offend nearly everyone: Business interests will choke on the
apocalyptic description of the earth in crisis but may be flattered by
the suggestion that they have the means to solve it. Most
environmentalists agree on the vast dimensions of the threat to nature
but may dismiss the authors' can-do optimism as dangerously naive. I
have particular doubts of my own. Nevertheless, Natural Capitalism
poses an intelligent challenge to lazy assumptions on both sides of
the political divide and ought to jump-start a reinvigorated
environmental debate." -William Greider

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> Even the dutch managed to work out how to do something about sea levels.

They also learned that the bicycle is the smart way to go.

02-06-2007, 10:29 AM

donquijote1954 <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote

>> Certainly much of the forests in western europe are now gone,
>> and western europe manages fine without them anyway.

> Depends where you cut trees down.

Nope, it doesnt have that much effect on climate wherever its done.

> Europe is a wet climate but in most other places you get desertification...

Wrong.

> "Current desertification is taking place much faster worldwide than historically

That is just plain wrong.

> and usually arises from the demands of increased populations
> that settle on the land in order to grow crops and graze animals."

That isnt due to the trees going, its due to the other use of that land once the trees have gone.

You didnt get that effect in north america either. Or in
Australia or south america either. In china in spades.

The desertification that has been seen in north africa isnt primarily due to the loss of forests.

> (awesome picture)

> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

> Well, here in America you probably build malls and parking lots to accomodate
> the SUVs for the happy consumers of products made in China.

Wrong again, almost none of those replaced forests.

>>> What are we willing to do to mitigate that possibility?

>> It makes absolutely no sense to cripple the world's economys
>> for something that isnt going to happen like that mindless claim
>> about 'possible destruction of human existence'

> We cripple Big Oil and promote Natural
> Capitalism, what's the big deal about it?

The economic disaster that would produce. That would
make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park.

> "Natural Capitalism is so informative and provocative-and so
> unfashionably optimistic about the future of the planet-that I wonder
> why everyone in public life is not reading it and arguing over the
> implications.

They dont because anyone with a clue realises its cloud cuckooland.

> The President did volunteer a nice plug for the book when it came out a few months ago,

He's always been a fool, look at Iraq.

> but it has yet to be reviewed by virtually any leading publication.

Because they realise its mindless fruit loop stuff.

> Literary culture doesn't grasp the high drama of industrial engineering.
> Newspaper editors, like other Americans, are transfixed by business stories
> about moguls and supermoguls from this gilded age and the previous one.

And america dominated the world on industrial engineering anyway.

Those fools have always been completely irrelevant.

> "The book will find its audience, regardless.

Yes, there have always been plenty of mindless fruit loops around.

> It is that important.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

> The authors are setting out a boldly different framework for
> understanding the ecological crisis.... This perspective has
> something to offend nearly everyone: Business interests will
> choke on the apocalyptic description of the earth in crisis

And so will anyone with a clue. Its just another utterly silly mindless
hyperventilation that fools like Malthus started and we have seen
countless examples of since like the Club of Rome and Erlich
etc etc etc. NOT ONE has ever got it right and most have
ended up with egg all over their silly little faces amazingly quickly.

> but may be flattered by the suggestion that they have the means to solve it.

Anyone with a clue realises that there aint no 'solve it'

> Most environmentalists agree on the vast dimensions of the threat to nature

Who cares ? Those fools have always been, and
always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

They're so stupid that they cant even manage to eschew the stuff they
mindlessly hyperventilate about and consume just as much as anyone else.

Fools like Gore in spades, ****ing the environment personally
FAR more than almost any other single individual.

> but may dismiss the authors' can-do optimism as dangerously naive.

Just mindlessly naive. Nothing 'dangerous' about them.

> I have particular doubts of my own. Nevertheless, Natural Capitalism
> poses an intelligent challenge to lazy assumptions on both sides of
> the political divide and ought to jump-start a reinvigorated
> environmental debate." -William Greider

Wota ****ing wanker.

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>> Even the dutch managed to work out how to do something about sea levels.

> They also learned that the bicycle is the smart way to go.

Its viable there. It aint in LA for example.

And they cant manage the basics on welfare or immigration either.