Re: electric bikes on centuries

02-06-2007, 11:24 AM

"Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Daryl Hunt wrote:
>> Gee, without changing my eating habits, I drop 20 lbs riding an Electric
>> Bike. How can that be. Now, I am trying to change my eating habits and
>> another 20 lbs are in the cards. I was that overweight Couch Potato that
>> Bill keeps referring to. Not the same couch potato but one very
>> similiar. I road a bike every day and didn't lose a single pound. I
>> started riding an EB and my range increased 5 fold. Now, there I was, 5
>> miles from home and out of juice with a MB that wieghed 40 pounds over
>> the gross. Guess what, you pedal back and lose pounds doing so. The EB
>> doesn't pedal quite as easily as a straight MB and is a lead sled
>> compared to a Road Bike. But it's expensive to hire a cab to get home
>> all the time so you pedal home.
>
> No cabs on the ped. train/trail. No cabs at all in my "Twin Cities" area.

That 35 bucks is a killer around here as well. Besides, it would take the
cab about 2 hours to respond. This ain't NYC.

>>
>> Sure am glad that Bill is in charge of those bike rides.
>
> I have to be to get him motivated. He is not a self motivated guy when it
> comes to exercise. Since he is 54 and 300 pounds at 5'10" I am not trying
> to kill him, just pry him away from the computer and DO SOMETHING.
> For what it's worth he wants to take the 2 bike to the train in his
> pickup, and it's only about a mile and a half.
> Couch potato driving a car mode. It isn't like we are going to Yosemite or
> anything, just that he is hard wired to the car.

I do a lot of promotions for EVTs around here. Imagine spending 25 cents a
day for fuel to drive back and forth to work or just driving your errands in
a EVT Car. Or how about taking the LSEBike back and forth to work for a
nickle a day. The biggest complaint against this type of vehicle is the
range. Comon, 50 miles from an EVT Car that runs for pennies? No, you
don't go out onto the interstated with it, of course. But around town, it's
a great way to get from point a to point b for your second car. Save the
Gashog for those long hauls.

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02-06-2007, 10:22 PM

Daryl Hunt wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:cTSxh.1332$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].prodigy.ne t...
>> Daryl Hunt wrote:
>>> Gee, without changing my eating habits, I drop 20 lbs riding an Electric
>>> Bike. How can that be. Now, I am trying to change my eating habits and
>>> another 20 lbs are in the cards. I was that overweight Couch Potato that
>>> Bill keeps referring to. Not the same couch potato but one very
>>> similiar. I road a bike every day and didn't lose a single pound. I
>>> started riding an EB and my range increased 5 fold. Now, there I was, 5
>>> miles from home and out of juice with a MB that wieghed 40 pounds over
>>> the gross. Guess what, you pedal back and lose pounds doing so. The EB
>>> doesn't pedal quite as easily as a straight MB and is a lead sled
>>> compared to a Road Bike. But it's expensive to hire a cab to get home
>>> all the time so you pedal home.
>> No cabs on the ped. train/trail. No cabs at all in my "Twin Cities" area.
>
> That 35 bucks is a killer around here as well. Besides, it would take the
> cab about 2 hours to respond. This ain't NYC.
>
>>> Sure am glad that Bill is in charge of those bike rides.
>> I have to be to get him motivated. He is not a self motivated guy when it
>> comes to exercise. Since he is 54 and 300 pounds at 5'10" I am not trying
>> to kill him, just pry him away from the computer and DO SOMETHING.
>> For what it's worth he wants to take the 2 bike to the train in his
>> pickup, and it's only about a mile and a half.
>> Couch potato driving a car mode. It isn't like we are going to Yosemite or
>> anything, just that he is hard wired to the car.
>
> I do a lot of promotions for EVTs around here. Imagine spending 25 cents a
> day for fuel to drive back and forth to work or just driving your errands in
> a EVT Car. Or how about taking the LSEBike back and forth to work for a
> nickle a day. The biggest complaint against this type of vehicle is the
> range. Comon, 50 miles from an EVT Car that runs for pennies? No, you
> don't go out onto the interstated with it, of course. But around town, it's
> a great way to get from point a to point b for your second car. Save the
> Gashog for those long hauls.
>
Does that tell you anything about the typical American who wants to have
his cake and eat it too. 50 miles is more than enough to run errands and
get groceries and stuff. Unfortunately, Joe average wants a 300 mile, 60
MPG car that will also do 0-60 in 5 seconds. Not likely.
Reality stinks.
Bill Baka

02-07-2007, 07:31 AM

"Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Daryl Hunt wrote:
>> "Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
>> news:cTSxh.1332$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].prodigy.ne t...
>>> Daryl Hunt wrote:
>>>> Gee, without changing my eating habits, I drop 20 lbs riding an
>>>> Electric Bike. How can that be. Now, I am trying to change my eating
>>>> habits and another 20 lbs are in the cards. I was that overweight
>>>> Couch Potato that Bill keeps referring to. Not the same couch potato
>>>> but one very similiar. I road a bike every day and didn't lose a single
>>>> pound. I started riding an EB and my range increased 5 fold. Now,
>>>> there I was, 5 miles from home and out of juice with a MB that wieghed
>>>> 40 pounds over the gross. Guess what, you pedal back and lose pounds
>>>> doing so. The EB doesn't pedal quite as easily as a straight MB and is
>>>> a lead sled compared to a Road Bike. But it's expensive to hire a cab
>>>> to get home all the time so you pedal home.
>>> No cabs on the ped. train/trail. No cabs at all in my "Twin Cities"
>>> area.
>>
>> That 35 bucks is a killer around here as well. Besides, it would take
>> the cab about 2 hours to respond. This ain't NYC.
>>
>>>> Sure am glad that Bill is in charge of those bike rides.
>>> I have to be to get him motivated. He is not a self motivated guy when
>>> it comes to exercise. Since he is 54 and 300 pounds at 5'10" I am not
>>> trying to kill him, just pry him away from the computer and DO
>>> SOMETHING.
>>> For what it's worth he wants to take the 2 bike to the train in his
>>> pickup, and it's only about a mile and a half.
>>> Couch potato driving a car mode. It isn't like we are going to Yosemite
>>> or anything, just that he is hard wired to the car.
>>
>> I do a lot of promotions for EVTs around here. Imagine spending 25 cents
>> a day for fuel to drive back and forth to work or just driving your
>> errands in a EVT Car. Or how about taking the LSEBike back and forth to
>> work for a nickle a day. The biggest complaint against this type of
>> vehicle is the range. Comon, 50 miles from an EVT Car that runs for
>> pennies? No, you don't go out onto the interstated with it, of course.
>> But around town, it's a great way to get from point a to point b for your
>> second car. Save the Gashog for those long hauls.
>>
> Does that tell you anything about the typical American who wants to have
> his cake and eat it too. 50 miles is more than enough to run errands and
> get groceries and stuff. Unfortunately, Joe average wants a 300 mile, 60
> MPG car that will also do 0-60 in 5 seconds. Not likely.
> Reality stinks.

The LSEbike is slow on the excelleration but the electric car will run with
the best of the small 4 cylinders. The average at the wheel output of a 4
cyclinder is less than 80. You can put on 40 hp in hub motor wheels on all
4 wheels and develop twice that. The same goes for a 2 wheeler classed as a
Motorcycle which can put up to 80 hp directly onto the ground. 80hp on a
MC, now that's a scary thing to even think about riding.

It's funny (not really), people that are bicycle "Purests" will scream very,
vary loud against the EVT anything. And then bitch about all that smog that
the other people spew with their cars. We have one thinly veiled "Lobbyist"
organization that claims to be a Bicycle Club (they openly solicit money and
lobby heavily) that wants to keep everything "Pure" and openly does not want
to share the bike paths with the LSEBikes or anything else. It makes it
difficult to get our Legislators off their butts to have similiar laws that
California currently has. The sad part is, some of the Cops here are trying
to enforce the "Old" CA electric Bicycle Laws when we don't have any such
thing on the books. Usually, we make for sense in laws here than where you
are but, obviously, not always.

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02-07-2007, 03:14 PM

Daryl Hunt wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:M6fyh.16272$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].prodigy.n et...
>> Does that tell you anything about the typical American who wants to have
>> his cake and eat it too. 50 miles is more than enough to run errands and
>> get groceries and stuff. Unfortunately, Joe average wants a 300 mile, 60
>> MPG car that will also do 0-60 in 5 seconds. Not likely.
>> Reality stinks.
>
> The LSEbike is slow on the excelleration but the electric car will run with
> the best of the small 4 cylinders. The average at the wheel output of a 4
> cyclinder is less than 80. You can put on 40 hp in hub motor wheels on all
> 4 wheels and develop twice that. The same goes for a 2 wheeler classed as a
> Motorcycle which can put up to 80 hp directly onto the ground. 80hp on a
> MC, now that's a scary thing to even think about riding.

How about 800 HP. There is a bike posted on the aviation pictures group
that has a WWII radial airplane engine built into it. That was radical
but the gas tank would only give about 10 miles between fills.
>
> It's funny (not really), people that are bicycle "Purests" will scream very,
> vary loud against the EVT anything. And then bitch about all that smog that
> the other people spew with their cars. We have one thinly veiled "Lobbyist"
> organization that claims to be a Bicycle Club (they openly solicit money and
> lobby heavily) that wants to keep everything "Pure" and openly does not want
> to share the bike paths with the LSEBikes or anything else. It makes it
> difficult to get our Legislators off their butts to have similiar laws that
> California currently has. The sad part is, some of the Cops here are trying
> to enforce the "Old" CA electric Bicycle Laws when we don't have any such
> thing on the books. Usually, we make for sense in laws here than where you
> are but, obviously, not always.

I'm in California too, and definitely not a "Purist", since I have a
real need to haul stuff some times. The "Purist" mind set must come from
the city boys who have never dealt with suburb type towns. At least we
get some victories, small but progress. A few years back they paved the
levee tops for ped and bike use. Now the tracks are a path. Who knows
what may come next.
Bill Baka
>

02-07-2007, 03:56 PM

"Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Daryl Hunt wrote:
>> "Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
>> news:M6fyh.16272$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].prodigy.n et...
>>> Does that tell you anything about the typical American who wants to have
>>> his cake and eat it too. 50 miles is more than enough to run errands and
>>> get groceries and stuff. Unfortunately, Joe average wants a 300 mile, 60
>>> MPG car that will also do 0-60 in 5 seconds. Not likely.
>>> Reality stinks.
>>
>> The LSEbike is slow on the excelleration but the electric car will run
>> with the best of the small 4 cylinders. The average at the wheel output
>> of a 4 cyclinder is less than 80. You can put on 40 hp in hub motor
>> wheels on all 4 wheels and develop twice that. The same goes for a 2
>> wheeler classed as a Motorcycle which can put up to 80 hp directly onto
>> the ground. 80hp on a MC, now that's a scary thing to even think about
>> riding.
>
> How about 800 HP. There is a bike posted on the aviation pictures group
> that has a WWII radial airplane engine built into it. That was radical but
> the gas tank would only give about 10 miles between fills.

Chrysler built a concept Motorcycle that used the Vipers new engine. 600hp
plus. Not too many takers for rides on that thing. And Chrysler won't
anyone with a death wish anywhere near it.

>>
>> It's funny (not really), people that are bicycle "Purests" will scream
>> very, vary loud against the EVT anything. And then bitch about all that
>> smog that the other people spew with their cars. We have one thinly
>> veiled "Lobbyist" organization that claims to be a Bicycle Club (they
>> openly solicit money and lobby heavily) that wants to keep everything
>> "Pure" and openly does not want to share the bike paths with the LSEBikes
>> or anything else. It makes it difficult to get our Legislators off their
>> butts to have similiar laws that California currently has. The sad part
>> is, some of the Cops here are trying to enforce the "Old" CA electric
>> Bicycle Laws when we don't have any such thing on the books. Usually, we
>> make for sense in laws here than where you are but, obviously, not
>> always.
>
> I'm in California too, and definitely not a "Purist", since I have a real
> need to haul stuff some times. The "Purist" mind set must come from the
> city boys who have never dealt with suburb type towns. At least we get
> some victories, small but progress. A few years back they paved the levee
> tops for ped and bike use. Now the tracks are a path. Who knows what may
> come next.
> Bill Baka

I know you aren't a purist by that definition. But it appears you are more
pure than many in having an open mind. It only goes to show that money
corrupts. Some people work for next to nothing and all they can afford is a
bike. When they have to make the choice between car insurance and their
family eating that month or not then the Bike (whether it's regular or
ethyl) should be promoted.

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02-07-2007, 07:06 PM

Daryl Hunt wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:KXtyh.3308$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].prodigy.ne t...
>> Daryl Hunt wrote:
>>> "Bill Baka" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
>>> news:M6fyh.16272$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].prodigy.n et...
>>>> Does that tell you anything about the typical American who wants to have
>>>> his cake and eat it too. 50 miles is more than enough to run errands and
>>>> get groceries and stuff. Unfortunately, Joe average wants a 300 mile, 60
>>>> MPG car that will also do 0-60 in 5 seconds. Not likely.
>>>> Reality stinks.
>>> The LSEbike is slow on the excelleration but the electric car will run
>>> with the best of the small 4 cylinders. The average at the wheel output
>>> of a 4 cyclinder is less than 80. You can put on 40 hp in hub motor
>>> wheels on all 4 wheels and develop twice that. The same goes for a 2
>>> wheeler classed as a Motorcycle which can put up to 80 hp directly onto
>>> the ground. 80hp on a MC, now that's a scary thing to even think about
>>> riding.
>> How about 800 HP. There is a bike posted on the aviation pictures group
>> that has a WWII radial airplane engine built into it. That was radical but
>> the gas tank would only give about 10 miles between fills.
>
> Chrysler built a concept Motorcycle that used the Vipers new engine. 600hp
> plus. Not too many takers for rides on that thing. And Chrysler won't
> anyone with a death wish anywhere near it.

I've seen it. Looked like a bear to handle it but they did say the
potential top speed was way over 300 MPH.
>
>
>
>>> It's funny (not really), people that are bicycle "Purests" will scream
>>> very, vary loud against the EVT anything. And then bitch about all that
>>> smog that the other people spew with their cars. We have one thinly
>>> veiled "Lobbyist" organization that claims to be a Bicycle Club (they
>>> openly solicit money and lobby heavily) that wants to keep everything
>>> "Pure" and openly does not want to share the bike paths with the LSEBikes
>>> or anything else. It makes it difficult to get our Legislators off their
>>> butts to have similiar laws that California currently has. The sad part
>>> is, some of the Cops here are trying to enforce the "Old" CA electric
>>> Bicycle Laws when we don't have any such thing on the books. Usually, we
>>> make for sense in laws here than where you are but, obviously, not
>>> always.
>> I'm in California too, and definitely not a "Purist", since I have a real
>> need to haul stuff some times. The "Purist" mind set must come from the
>> city boys who have never dealt with suburb type towns. At least we get
>> some victories, small but progress. A few years back they paved the levee
>> tops for ped and bike use. Now the tracks are a path. Who knows what may
>> come next.
>> Bill Baka
>
> I know you aren't a purist by that definition. But it appears you are more
> pure than many in having an open mind. It only goes to show that money
> corrupts. Some people work for next to nothing and all they can afford is a
> bike. When they have to make the choice between car insurance and their
> family eating that month or not then the Bike (whether it's regular or
> ethyl) should be promoted.
>
> I can side with that. If some kid wants to (or thinks he can) do my job
for $8 and hour then fine. I won't get out of bed for that. I'll just
wait until the kid screws something up so I can charge $50 and hour to
fix it.
Bill Baka