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02-09-2007, 04:52 PM

do you see many cars with obvious signs of neglect on the road? Even
if they were 10% of all cars driven, most the guzzlers are guzzlers by
design - i.e. SUVs. 50% of vechicles I see on the road are SUVs with
one driver inside.

02-09-2007, 06:10 PM

On Feb 9, 6:24 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> They could always try Antarctica. If there is oil in Alaska then there
> might be on the south pole too. The earth has undergone quite a lot of
> changes, axis, Ice ages, hot ages, and plate tectonics, to mention a few.

I imagine even your Mr. Bush knows the USA doesn't own Antarctica,
even if this was a sane idea.

02-09-2007, 10:13 PM

On Feb 10, 2:52 am, "[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> do you see many cars with obvious signs of neglect on the road? Even

When I lived in NYC, Chicago, and LA I sure did! I suppose it is very
area dependant.

> if they were 10% of all cars driven, most the guzzlers are guzzlers by
> design - i.e. SUVs. 50% of vechicles I see on the road are SUVs with
> one driver inside.

Agreed. But actually the difference isn't that great between a modern
average guzzler and an economical car. Things like commute distance
have a much greater effect. But in general yes I agree with you.

Joseph

02-10-2007, 12:52 PM

"[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Gas is $8 per gallon here. It doesn't seem to affect how many cars
>there are on the road. People drive what they have to. If gas was only
>$3 per gallon, would I drive my kids to school twice each day? Would I
>drive 2 cars at once?
>
>Maybe much higher prices in the long run influence how far a small few
>commute or where they move, but in terms of expecting any discernable
>reduction in the number of cars, forget it. People will piss and moan,
>and say they are going to cut down, but 99.9% of them won't.

The cars in Norway get better gas mileage than the ones in the US. Here
they are big and getting bigger all the time, as people believe they are
safer in a huge SUV. A higher tax in the US would encourage people to drive
smaller cars.

Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

02-10-2007, 01:13 PM

I don't imagine he knows that. I don't imagine he really knows much of
anything.

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> On Feb 9, 6:24 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> They could always try Antarctica. If there is oil in Alaska then there
>> might be on the south pole too. The earth has undergone quite a lot of
>> changes, axis, Ice ages, hot ages, and plate tectonics, to mention a few.
>
> I imagine even your Mr. Bush knows the USA doesn't own Antarctica,
> even if this was a sane idea.
>

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02-10-2007, 03:29 PM

Brian Huntley wrote:
> On Feb 9, 6:24 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> They could always try Antarctica. If there is oil in Alaska then there
>> might be on the south pole too. The earth has undergone quite a lot of
>> changes, axis, Ice ages, hot ages, and plate tectonics, to mention a few.
>
> I imagine even your Mr. Bush knows the USA doesn't own Antarctica,
> even if this was a sane idea.
>
Please, no insults. He is not my Bush since I voted against him both times.
If however oil was found down there, I imagine it would be like a new
gold rush.
There would be oil cities popping up like crazy.
That's all.
Bill Baka

02-10-2007, 03:32 PM

James Fitch wrote:
> I don't imagine he knows that. I don't imagine he really knows much of
> anything.

I have to admit, he is a bit of a nimrod. Watching him on television is
like the world's most famous moron got elected to be President. Ooops,
that DID happen.
Bill Baka
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>> On Feb 9, 6:24 pm, Bill Baka <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>> They could always try Antarctica. If there is oil in Alaska then there
>>> might be on the south pole too. The earth has undergone quite a lot of
>>> changes, axis, Ice ages, hot ages, and plate tectonics, to mention a few.
>> I imagine even your Mr. Bush knows the USA doesn't own Antarctica,
>> even if this was a sane idea.
>>
>
>
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02-10-2007, 03:47 PM

If you look at the energy cost of fertilizer, irrigation,
distillation, etc. ethanol is a net energy loss. It also contains far
less energy than gasoline. It is only favored because of the corn
growers.

Ted.

02-10-2007, 03:56 PM

Ted wrote:
> If you look at the energy cost of fertilizer, irrigation,
> distillation, etc. ethanol is a net energy loss. It also contains far
> less energy than gasoline. It is only favored because of the corn
> growers.
>
> Ted.
>
Probably true but it makes for a good political speech. There is no way
we could EVER grow that much corn.
Bill Baka