new gas tax

02-08-2007, 07:21 PM

I hope the new rumored gas tax from Bush will get people off the road.
Easy breezy the road is mine.
too little too late but somebody had to do it

02-08-2007, 10:25 PM

On Feb 9, 5:21 am, "nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> I hope the new rumored gas tax from Bush will get people off the road.
> Easy breezy the road is mine.
> too little too late but somebody had to do it

Gas is $8 per gallon here. It doesn't seem to affect how many cars
there are on the road. People drive what they have to. If gas was only
$3 per gallon, would I drive my kids to school twice each day? Would I
drive 2 cars at once?

Maybe much higher prices in the long run influence how far a small few
commute or where they move, but in terms of expecting any discernable
reduction in the number of cars, forget it. People will piss and moan,
and say they are going to cut down, but 99.9% of them won't.

Joseph

02-09-2007, 04:42 AM

On Feb 8, 9:21 pm, "nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> I hope the new rumored gas tax from Bush will get people off the road.
> Easy breezy the road is mine.
> too little too late but somebody had to do it

Never happen. Bush is so in the pocket of big oil that a gas tax won't
happen until about January, 2009.

02-09-2007, 08:51 AM

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On Feb 8, 9:21 pm, "nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> I hope the new rumored gas tax from Bush will get people off the road.
>> Easy breezy the road is mine.
>> too little too late but somebody had to do it
>
> Never happen. Bush is so in the pocket of big oil that a gas tax won't
> happen until about January, 2009.

But it should mean only the richer crowd can handle it and if you lose your
job cause of economics well then you do not need the car.
Business channel said it will happen before your next election. When is
that. This year?

02-09-2007, 10:59 AM

On Feb 9, 11:51 am, "nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> Business channel said it will happen before your next election. When is
> that. This year?

Two critical things for any tax increase these days are:

1) It's not really a tax, but a "Revenue Enhancement," "User Fee,"
"Service Fee," "Operational Surcharge," or some other political mumbo-
jumbo that does not use the word "tax".

2) There needs to be a lame duck to blame it on. Hmmmm, where can we
find one of those?

Austin

02-09-2007, 01:37 PM

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Feb 8, 9:21 pm, "nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> I hope the new rumored gas tax from Bush will get people off the road.
>> Easy breezy the road is mine.
>> too little too late but somebody had to do it
>
>Never happen. Bush is so in the pocket of big oil that a gas tax won't
>happen until about January, 2009.

Thing is, those who seem to be for the gas tax tend to be those who
complain the most about taxes that aren't progressive in nature. The
gas tax is probably the least progressive of all possible taxes - it
tends to cost those on the bottom end of the economic scale (who tend
to drive cars that get poorer gas mileage) more than those at the top.

At the same time, if the gas tax helps reduce demand for oil - that's
a good thing.

And in the end, let's not forget that something like 50 cents of each
gallon is already tax - that's a pretty high percentage (we'd all be
screaming if we had to pay that rate on our bike stuff, after all).
;-)

So I'm torn - I'd love to see a crippling tax reduce demand, but would
hate to see the effect of it on those who can afford it least. I
guess I'll just wait and see...

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
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Home of the $795 ti frame

02-09-2007, 01:52 PM

They have a choice to go to ethanol or biodiesel too. Willy's biodiesel in
some places along with wheat, soy, vegtable oil, hash oil. Just pay more if
you want the luxury higher demand lower supply gasoline. Nature has put the
limits on it. We have to live by her rules. One of the biggest oil fields
is in Egypt or Arabia somewhere and is going to be out of oil soon
Represents 7% of present oil. I know that is dicy commentary but the news
is out there.

This is to save the planet and its future people not todays people.
So better late than never Bush. At least he is thinking about the trouble
oil is in. What would the poor most effected do when there is no oil. They
have the least power to promote change too. Or do research for new
alternatives. Poor are always in a bind while the rich get richer.
Course the poor occasionally eat the rich too so go figur'

02-09-2007, 01:57 PM

>those on the bottom end of the economic scale (who tend
> to drive cars that get poorer gas mileage) more than those at the top.

Civics, corrollas, and Sentras get pretty good mileage.

02-09-2007, 02:09 PM

On Feb 9, 11:57 pm, "[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >those on the bottom end of the economic scale (who tend
> > to drive cars that get poorer gas mileage) more than those at the top.
>
> Civics, corrollas, and Sentras get pretty good mileage.

I'm pretty sure he meant old junkers. Even cars that got good milage
in their day can turn into polluting guzzlers with enough neglect.

I personally don't think such a tax would hurt poor folks because they
have crappy cars. I think it would just be a matter of what percantage
of their income goes to the tax to be able to drive the "essential"
miles they must use their car. (Grocery shopping, getting to work,
bringing kids to places)

Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I don't mean to imply that one
absolutely needs a car for these things, but most people do regard
these things as a necessity.

Joseph

02-09-2007, 02:24 PM

nash wrote:
> They have a choice to go to ethanol or biodiesel too. Willy's biodiesel in
> some places along with wheat, soy, vegtable oil, hash oil. Just pay more if
> you want the luxury higher demand lower supply gasoline. Nature has put the
> limits on it. We have to live by her rules. One of the biggest oil fields
> is in Egypt or Arabia somewhere and is going to be out of oil soon
> Represents 7% of present oil. I know that is dicy commentary but the news
> is out there.

They could always try Antarctica. If there is oil in Alaska then there
might be on the south pole too. The earth has undergone quite a lot of
changes, axis, Ice ages, hot ages, and plate tectonics, to mention a few.
>
> This is to save the planet and its future people not todays people.
> So better late than never Bush. At least he is thinking about the trouble
> oil is in. What would the poor most effected do when there is no oil. They
> have the least power to promote change too. Or do research for new
> alternatives. Poor are always in a bind while the rich get richer.
> Course the poor occasionally eat the rich too so go figur'
>
>
Viva le revolution.
Bill Baka