Re: Critical Mass Tunnel Freaks

07-10-2003, 09:30 PM

Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:17:54 -0400, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
"Eric S. Sande" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Only that it lowered expectations of how cyclists should behave in
>traffic.

What was **** head's problem today when I stopped at the sign because
he was approaching the intersection and didn't have a stop sign.

He balked, he stopped, he stared and then got snotty when I told him
to move.

Do you really believe it's because of CM?
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zk

07-10-2003, 10:12 PM

>What was **** head's problem today when I stopped at the sign because
>he was approaching the intersection and didn't have a stop sign.

How do I know, do you think I'm a psychologist?

>He balked, he stopped, he stared and then got snotty when I told him
>to move.

Well, he probably had road conflict. He thought he was doing you
a favor to allow you to pass but wasn't properly socialized to believe
you had the same inherent rights he did.

He didn't see you as an equal, in other words.

>Do you really believe it's because of CM?

I believe it's because of poor socialization and bad societal training
exacerbated by a car centric society.

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07-11-2003, 05:59 AM

>Zoot Katz [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>What was **** head's problem today when I stopped at the sign because
>he was approaching the intersection and didn't have a stop sign.
>
>He balked, he stopped, he stared and then got snotty when I told him
>to move.
>
>Do you really believe it's because of CM?

What makes you think that it would have been at all different if you had been
driving a car instead of riding a bike? I don't know of anyone that blames C-M
rides for every instance of bad behavior on the roadway. The only inconsiderate
and illegal things I blame C-M for are those that occur during those rides.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

07-11-2003, 01:36 PM

Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:12:40 -0400, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
"Eric S. Sande" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>He didn't see you as an equal, in other words.
>
>>Do you really believe it's because of CM?
>
>I believe it's because of poor socialization and bad societal training
>exacerbated by a car centric society.

Driver mentality is poison to socialisation while the nature of cars
and their required infrastructure physically discourages it.
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zk

07-11-2003, 01:36 PM

Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:58:18 GMT,
<u6uPa.54193$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com>,
"Buck" <j u n k m a i l @ g a l a x y c o r p . c o m> wrote:

>
>This has nothing to do with CM. He stopped because he thought he was doing
>you a favor.

How 'bout the guy who sped up to pass me four car-lengths before a
4-way stop. Then he cut to the right. I figure he's going to turn.
He's braking and I am too because I'm right behind him now. Okay, he's
stopping, I'm dribbling along. Clear sight lines. No approaching
traffic anywhere. Okay, he's still stopped and watching me in the
mirror. I'm on him and doing a track stand. His backup lights come on.
I dab. I'm looking right at the guy in his mirror and figuring out how
I'm gonna ditch the bike and climb onto his trunk lid. He puts it into
drive and proceeds normally.

WTF was that?

I'm still trying to nail down examples to support this popular
backlash myth before I'll even stick my neck out attributing it to any
particular groups or other individual cyclists.
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zk

07-11-2003, 04:36 PM

"Zoot Katz" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].ca...

> How 'bout the guy who sped up to pass me four car-lengths before a
> 4-way stop. Then he cut to the right. I figure he's going to turn.
> He's braking and I am too because I'm right behind him now. Okay, he's
> stopping, I'm dribbling along. Clear sight lines. No approaching
> traffic anywhere. Okay, he's still stopped and watching me in the
> mirror. I'm on him and doing a track stand. His backup lights come on.
> I dab. I'm looking right at the guy in his mirror and figuring out how
> I'm gonna ditch the bike and climb onto his trunk lid. He puts it into
> drive and proceeds normally.
>
> WTF was that?
>
> I'm still trying to nail down examples to support this popular
> backlash myth before I'll even stick my neck out attributing it to any
> particular groups or other individual cyclists.

What you just described sounds like the kind of backlash a crazy person
might use to get back at a CM rider. Perhaps he recognized you from your
last traffic jam....

-Buck

07-11-2003, 06:48 PM

Buck wrote:

> "Zoot Katz" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].ca...
>
> > How 'bout the guy who sped up to pass me four car-lengths before a
> > 4-way stop. Then he cut to the right. I figure he's going to turn.
> > He's braking and I am too because I'm right behind him now. Okay, he's
> > stopping, I'm dribbling along. Clear sight lines. No approaching
> > traffic anywhere. Okay, he's still stopped and watching me in the
> > mirror. I'm on him and doing a track stand. His backup lights come on.
> > I dab. I'm looking right at the guy in his mirror and figuring out how
> > I'm gonna ditch the bike and climb onto his trunk lid. He puts it into
> > drive and proceeds normally.
> >
> > WTF was that?
> >
> > I'm still trying to nail down examples to support this popular
> > backlash myth before I'll even stick my neck out attributing it to any
> > particular groups or other individual cyclists.
>
> What you just described sounds like the kind of backlash a crazy person
> might use to get back at a CM rider. Perhaps he recognized you from your
> last traffic jam....
>
> -Buck

He couldna recognized him thru his dino suit!

07-11-2003, 08:28 PM

Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:36:21 GMT,
<9KIPa.55496$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com>,
"Buck" <j u n k m a i l @ g a l a x y c o r p . c o m> wrote:

>>
>> I'm still trying to nail down examples to support this popular
>> backlash myth before I'll even stick my neck out attributing it to any
>> particular groups or other individual cyclists.
>
>What you just described sounds like the kind of backlash a crazy person
>might use to get back at a CM rider. Perhaps he recognized you from your
>last traffic jam....

Oh goodie, I'm glad it's that simply, though imaginatively, resolved.

But why are you so ready to excuse the jerk by pleading his sanity or
painting him as some righteous avenger? And tell me how exactly is a
"CM rider" is supposed to look?
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zk

07-11-2003, 09:16 PM

>And tell me how exactly is a "CM rider" is supposed to look?

Stylish, man, stylish.

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07-11-2003, 09:43 PM

Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:16:58 -0400, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
"Eric S. Sande" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>>And tell me how exactly is a "CM rider" is supposed to look?
>
>Stylish, man, stylish.

Yeah, that was probably the problem. I might have looked too much like
a cop in my yellow jacket, black mutt, socks and shorts.

Or he may have been reacting to the "CARS SUCK" sticker.
In that case, all the stop sign running cyclists, regardless of how
they're dressed for whatever disease ride or racing fantasy they're
'training' for, are exonerated.

I just dismissed him as some wannabe traffic-vigilante type by
dramatically expectorating on the road in his general direction.
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zk