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10-25-2004, 07:18 AM

"David L. Johnson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>My town, too, was so caught up in it's proud baseball tradition to give a
>damn about kids who just wanted to play. I _never_ forgave them for
>cutting me, as an 8-year old who just wanted to play little league.

My small town's little league baseball pretty much sucked. That's
good since it meant I didn't stand out. ;-)

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
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Home of the $695 ti frame

10-25-2004, 07:41 AM

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:19:37 -0500, "Paul Turner" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>"Terry Morse" wrote:
>
>> "The primary reason health care costs are rising is that most
>> spending on health care is done with someone else's money rather
>> than the patient's. As a result patients avoid making tough choices
>> between health care and other goods and services. The most wasteful
>> kind of health insurance is insurance for small medical bills. These
>> are the expenses over which patients exercise the most discretion
>> and for which opportunities for waste and abuse are greatest.
>> Moreover, by the time an insurance company gets through processing a
>> twenty-five-dollar physician fee, the cost will be fifty
>> dollars >
>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
>Interesting article. I wrote earlier that I thought malpractice payouts were
>the primary cause of increasing malpractice premiums, but I agree that they
>don't come close to being the primary cause of increases in health care
>costs as a whole. On the other hand, I can't find where Goodman supports his
>conclusion that the "primary reason" for rising costs is the third-party
>payment system. Granting that this distorts consumer decisions, there are so
>many other causes for rising costs that I don't know how we would isolate
>the effect of this one. The two causes that seem most serious to me are two
>that we really cannot do much about. First, we continue to develop new and
>better methods of diagnosis and treatment, many of them expensive. Second,
>the population continues to age. I suspect we have to reconcile ourselves to
>the inevitability of continuing increases in overall health costs for a long
>time, no matter what we do to ease the impact of these increases.

Kerry's plan, to have the government take the catastrophic portion of
care, makes sense. That is the real threat that most of us live under.
The minor things many of us can deal with. Somewhere I read a
statistic (we know what those mean) that said that most of the cost of
healthcare is actually just the cost of the months before dying.

Still, any system that discourages preventive care which is relatively
cheap, in favor of emergency care when things get bad, is not cost
effective.

Ban refined sugar for a start.

10-25-2004, 07:41 AM

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:19:37 -0500, "Paul Turner" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>"Terry Morse" wrote:
>
>> "The primary reason health care costs are rising is that most
>> spending on health care is done with someone else's money rather
>> than the patient's. As a result patients avoid making tough choices
>> between health care and other goods and services. The most wasteful
>> kind of health insurance is insurance for small medical bills. These
>> are the expenses over which patients exercise the most discretion
>> and for which opportunities for waste and abuse are greatest.
>> Moreover, by the time an insurance company gets through processing a
>> twenty-five-dollar physician fee, the cost will be fifty
>> dollars >
>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
>Interesting article. I wrote earlier that I thought malpractice payouts were
>the primary cause of increasing malpractice premiums, but I agree that they
>don't come close to being the primary cause of increases in health care
>costs as a whole. On the other hand, I can't find where Goodman supports his
>conclusion that the "primary reason" for rising costs is the third-party
>payment system. Granting that this distorts consumer decisions, there are so
>many other causes for rising costs that I don't know how we would isolate
>the effect of this one. The two causes that seem most serious to me are two
>that we really cannot do much about. First, we continue to develop new and
>better methods of diagnosis and treatment, many of them expensive. Second,
>the population continues to age. I suspect we have to reconcile ourselves to
>the inevitability of continuing increases in overall health costs for a long
>time, no matter what we do to ease the impact of these increases.

Kerry's plan, to have the government take the catastrophic portion of
care, makes sense. That is the real threat that most of us live under.
The minor things many of us can deal with. Somewhere I read a
statistic (we know what those mean) that said that most of the cost of
healthcare is actually just the cost of the months before dying.

Still, any system that discourages preventive care which is relatively
cheap, in favor of emergency care when things get bad, is not cost
effective.

Ban refined sugar for a start.

10-25-2004, 07:41 AM

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:19:37 -0500, "Paul Turner" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>"Terry Morse" wrote:
>
>> "The primary reason health care costs are rising is that most
>> spending on health care is done with someone else's money rather
>> than the patient's. As a result patients avoid making tough choices
>> between health care and other goods and services. The most wasteful
>> kind of health insurance is insurance for small medical bills. These
>> are the expenses over which patients exercise the most discretion
>> and for which opportunities for waste and abuse are greatest.
>> Moreover, by the time an insurance company gets through processing a
>> twenty-five-dollar physician fee, the cost will be fifty
>> dollars >
>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
>Interesting article. I wrote earlier that I thought malpractice payouts were
>the primary cause of increasing malpractice premiums, but I agree that they
>don't come close to being the primary cause of increases in health care
>costs as a whole. On the other hand, I can't find where Goodman supports his
>conclusion that the "primary reason" for rising costs is the third-party
>payment system. Granting that this distorts consumer decisions, there are so
>many other causes for rising costs that I don't know how we would isolate
>the effect of this one. The two causes that seem most serious to me are two
>that we really cannot do much about. First, we continue to develop new and
>better methods of diagnosis and treatment, many of them expensive. Second,
>the population continues to age. I suspect we have to reconcile ourselves to
>the inevitability of continuing increases in overall health costs for a long
>time, no matter what we do to ease the impact of these increases.

Kerry's plan, to have the government take the catastrophic portion of
care, makes sense. That is the real threat that most of us live under.
The minor things many of us can deal with. Somewhere I read a
statistic (we know what those mean) that said that most of the cost of
healthcare is actually just the cost of the months before dying.

Still, any system that discourages preventive care which is relatively
cheap, in favor of emergency care when things get bad, is not cost
effective.

Ban refined sugar for a start.

10-25-2004, 07:41 AM

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:19:37 -0500, "Paul Turner" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>"Terry Morse" wrote:
>
>> "The primary reason health care costs are rising is that most
>> spending on health care is done with someone else's money rather
>> than the patient's. As a result patients avoid making tough choices
>> between health care and other goods and services. The most wasteful
>> kind of health insurance is insurance for small medical bills. These
>> are the expenses over which patients exercise the most discretion
>> and for which opportunities for waste and abuse are greatest.
>> Moreover, by the time an insurance company gets through processing a
>> twenty-five-dollar physician fee, the cost will be fifty
>> dollars >
>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
>Interesting article. I wrote earlier that I thought malpractice payouts were
>the primary cause of increasing malpractice premiums, but I agree that they
>don't come close to being the primary cause of increases in health care
>costs as a whole. On the other hand, I can't find where Goodman supports his
>conclusion that the "primary reason" for rising costs is the third-party
>payment system. Granting that this distorts consumer decisions, there are so
>many other causes for rising costs that I don't know how we would isolate
>the effect of this one. The two causes that seem most serious to me are two
>that we really cannot do much about. First, we continue to develop new and
>better methods of diagnosis and treatment, many of them expensive. Second,
>the population continues to age. I suspect we have to reconcile ourselves to
>the inevitability of continuing increases in overall health costs for a long
>time, no matter what we do to ease the impact of these increases.

Kerry's plan, to have the government take the catastrophic portion of
care, makes sense. That is the real threat that most of us live under.
The minor things many of us can deal with. Somewhere I read a
statistic (we know what those mean) that said that most of the cost of
healthcare is actually just the cost of the months before dying.

Still, any system that discourages preventive care which is relatively
cheap, in favor of emergency care when things get bad, is not cost
effective.

Ban refined sugar for a start.

10-25-2004, 07:59 AM

dgk wrote:

> Kerry's plan, to have the government take the catastrophic portion of
> care, makes sense. That is the real threat that most of us live under.
> The minor things many of us can deal with. Somewhere I read a
> statistic (we know what those mean) that said that most of the cost of
> healthcare is actually just the cost of the months before dying.
>
> Still, any system that discourages preventive care which is relatively
> cheap, in favor of emergency care when things get bad, is not cost
> effective.
>
> Ban refined sugar for a start.

Can I finish my coffee first? ;-)

10-25-2004, 07:59 AM

dgk wrote:

> Kerry's plan, to have the government take the catastrophic portion of
> care, makes sense. That is the real threat that most of us live under.
> The minor things many of us can deal with. Somewhere I read a
> statistic (we know what those mean) that said that most of the cost of
> healthcare is actually just the cost of the months before dying.
>
> Still, any system that discourages preventive care which is relatively
> cheap, in favor of emergency care when things get bad, is not cost
> effective.
>
> Ban refined sugar for a start.

Can I finish my coffee first? ;-)

10-25-2004, 07:59 AM

dgk wrote:

> Kerry's plan, to have the government take the catastrophic portion of
> care, makes sense. That is the real threat that most of us live under.
> The minor things many of us can deal with. Somewhere I read a
> statistic (we know what those mean) that said that most of the cost of
> healthcare is actually just the cost of the months before dying.
>
> Still, any system that discourages preventive care which is relatively
> cheap, in favor of emergency care when things get bad, is not cost
> effective.
>
> Ban refined sugar for a start.

Can I finish my coffee first? ;-)

10-25-2004, 07:59 AM

dgk wrote:

> Kerry's plan, to have the government take the catastrophic portion of
> care, makes sense. That is the real threat that most of us live under.
> The minor things many of us can deal with. Somewhere I read a
> statistic (we know what those mean) that said that most of the cost of
> healthcare is actually just the cost of the months before dying.
>
> Still, any system that discourages preventive care which is relatively
> cheap, in favor of emergency care when things get bad, is not cost
> effective.
>
> Ban refined sugar for a start.

Can I finish my coffee first? ;-)

10-25-2004, 10:53 AM

Badger_South wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2004 23:39:19 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Red Cloud) wrote:
>
>
>> you talking about American lifestyel not personal lifestyle to be lazy.
>> Driving SUV is a natural American lifestyel since the street system
>>is mostly decided to drive SUV not bicycle. America is not europe.
>>America is not Asia. America is america with driving around with SUV.
>>This is how America SUV culture is getting worst. It gets worst. It is
>>not going to get better unless America has altered it's NASCAR lifestyle
>>with their killing mentality. America has to come with the fact that they
>>are not only kiling themselve but to all over the world. The earth will not
>>stand when the 1.3 billion chinese adopting 100% of American SUV lifestyle.
>>Imagine what would happen to earth if Chineses are driving SUV like
>>Americans are. Currently America produces 40% of world pollution. The
>>it is not getting any better. Don't blame on Republican or Democratic.
>>This is the America problem that Americans all are responsible for it.
>>I ain't no talking about obesity problem here. maybe other time..
>
>
> How. And 'how' you get outum killum file?

Looks like he changed his email addy. Just added a new
killfile filter for him myself. *shrug*

-km

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