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11-14-2004, 03:39 PM

>Todd Kuzma
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wrote:

>Hunrobe wrote:
>>>Preston Crawford [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
>>>The polls don't lie. The polls say time and time again that that's what
>>>Americans believe. The majority.
>>
>> I call BS. I have yet to see a poll that says the majority of Americans
>believe
>> that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
>
> From October 2004, a USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll showed that
>42% of Americans thought that Hussein was involved in the
>9/11 attacks. 32% believed that Hussein had personally
>planned the attacks. 62% of Republicans thought that
>Hussein was involved.
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
000653667>

32% (that percentage that believed Hussein "personally planned the attacks" and
therefore could be fairly said to be "directly responsible") is not a majority.

> From October 2004, Harris Polling reported that 62% of
>Americans believed that Hussein "had strong links" to Al
>Qaeda, 41% (52% of Bush supporters) believed that Hussein
>helped plan and support the 9/11 attacks, and 37% believed
>that several of the hijackers were Iraqi.
><http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=508>

"Had strong links" to Al Qaeda does not translate to "was directly responsible
for the 9/11 attacks" and, like the above 32% figure, 41% is not a majority

> From September 2003, a Washington Post poll showed that 69%
>of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was "personally
>involved" in the 9/11 attacks:
><http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm>

The link you provide didn't work for me so I searched the Washington Post
online archives. The question was worded, "How likely is it that Saddam Hussein
was personally involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks- very (32%),
somewhat (37%), not very (15%) or not at all (12%)?"

Others are free to draw their own inferences but all the above figures seem to
indicate to me is that approximately 1/3 of those polled weren't paying
attention. What I think is clear though is none of the polls you cite indicate
that a majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was directly
responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

11-14-2004, 03:39 PM

>Todd Kuzma
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>Hunrobe wrote:
>>>Preston Crawford [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
>>>The polls don't lie. The polls say time and time again that that's what
>>>Americans believe. The majority.
>>
>> I call BS. I have yet to see a poll that says the majority of Americans
>believe
>> that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
>
> From October 2004, a USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll showed that
>42% of Americans thought that Hussein was involved in the
>9/11 attacks. 32% believed that Hussein had personally
>planned the attacks. 62% of Republicans thought that
>Hussein was involved.
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
000653667>

32% (that percentage that believed Hussein "personally planned the attacks" and
therefore could be fairly said to be "directly responsible") is not a majority.

> From October 2004, Harris Polling reported that 62% of
>Americans believed that Hussein "had strong links" to Al
>Qaeda, 41% (52% of Bush supporters) believed that Hussein
>helped plan and support the 9/11 attacks, and 37% believed
>that several of the hijackers were Iraqi.
><http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=508>

"Had strong links" to Al Qaeda does not translate to "was directly responsible
for the 9/11 attacks" and, like the above 32% figure, 41% is not a majority

> From September 2003, a Washington Post poll showed that 69%
>of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was "personally
>involved" in the 9/11 attacks:
><http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm>

The link you provide didn't work for me so I searched the Washington Post
online archives. The question was worded, "How likely is it that Saddam Hussein
was personally involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks- very (32%),
somewhat (37%), not very (15%) or not at all (12%)?"

Others are free to draw their own inferences but all the above figures seem to
indicate to me is that approximately 1/3 of those polled weren't paying
attention. What I think is clear though is none of the polls you cite indicate
that a majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was directly
responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

11-14-2004, 03:39 PM

>Todd Kuzma
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>Hunrobe wrote:
>>>Preston Crawford [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
>>>The polls don't lie. The polls say time and time again that that's what
>>>Americans believe. The majority.
>>
>> I call BS. I have yet to see a poll that says the majority of Americans
>believe
>> that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
>
> From October 2004, a USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll showed that
>42% of Americans thought that Hussein was involved in the
>9/11 attacks. 32% believed that Hussein had personally
>planned the attacks. 62% of Republicans thought that
>Hussein was involved.
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
000653667>

32% (that percentage that believed Hussein "personally planned the attacks" and
therefore could be fairly said to be "directly responsible") is not a majority.

> From October 2004, Harris Polling reported that 62% of
>Americans believed that Hussein "had strong links" to Al
>Qaeda, 41% (52% of Bush supporters) believed that Hussein
>helped plan and support the 9/11 attacks, and 37% believed
>that several of the hijackers were Iraqi.
><http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=508>

"Had strong links" to Al Qaeda does not translate to "was directly responsible
for the 9/11 attacks" and, like the above 32% figure, 41% is not a majority

> From September 2003, a Washington Post poll showed that 69%
>of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was "personally
>involved" in the 9/11 attacks:
><http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm>

The link you provide didn't work for me so I searched the Washington Post
online archives. The question was worded, "How likely is it that Saddam Hussein
was personally involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks- very (32%),
somewhat (37%), not very (15%) or not at all (12%)?"

Others are free to draw their own inferences but all the above figures seem to
indicate to me is that approximately 1/3 of those polled weren't paying
attention. What I think is clear though is none of the polls you cite indicate
that a majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was directly
responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

11-14-2004, 04:50 PM

On 15 Nov 2004 00:39:58 GMT, Hunrobe <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
<big snip>
> Others are free to draw their own inferences but all the above figures
> seem to
> indicate to me is that approximately 1/3 of those polled weren't paying
> attention. What I think is clear though is none of the polls you cite
> indicate
> that a majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was directly
> responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Hunt

Just like the theory that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor
but had to let it happen to get Americans pissed off enough
to get into the war.
Bush could have, repeat 'could have' known something
was going down before 9/11 but never would have allowed
the towers to be taken down. A single plane into the
Pentagon would have done it, but killing all those people
in the towers was just too much. Government works in
strange ways. Here it is 3 years later and all we know
is that muslims hate us, islamics really hate us, well
maybe they hate everybody, but somehow we stepped into
a big pile of crap. We may never know who really did it
but I heard that most of the hijackers were from
Saudi Arabia, our buddies. I also would not rule
out Jordan or Libya where we are not popular.
It is a mess, and we could just bankrupt the USA fighting
terrorism, like we bankrupted the USSR.
Maybe that was the terrorist goal, to put us into a panic
mode and jump at every little thing.
3,000 people dead from the terrorist attacks.
1,000+ soldiers killed.
5,000(?) people die every day from whatever causes, old age, etc.
We can't just keep running in circles, but we don't have
a real war with a real country. Kind of makes me miss the
good old days when it was just the USSR and Cuba.
Bill Baka

--
Just Bill again

11-14-2004, 04:50 PM

On 15 Nov 2004 00:39:58 GMT, Hunrobe <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
<big snip>
> Others are free to draw their own inferences but all the above figures
> seem to
> indicate to me is that approximately 1/3 of those polled weren't paying
> attention. What I think is clear though is none of the polls you cite
> indicate
> that a majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was directly
> responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Hunt

Just like the theory that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor
but had to let it happen to get Americans pissed off enough
to get into the war.
Bush could have, repeat 'could have' known something
was going down before 9/11 but never would have allowed
the towers to be taken down. A single plane into the
Pentagon would have done it, but killing all those people
in the towers was just too much. Government works in
strange ways. Here it is 3 years later and all we know
is that muslims hate us, islamics really hate us, well
maybe they hate everybody, but somehow we stepped into
a big pile of crap. We may never know who really did it
but I heard that most of the hijackers were from
Saudi Arabia, our buddies. I also would not rule
out Jordan or Libya where we are not popular.
It is a mess, and we could just bankrupt the USA fighting
terrorism, like we bankrupted the USSR.
Maybe that was the terrorist goal, to put us into a panic
mode and jump at every little thing.
3,000 people dead from the terrorist attacks.
1,000+ soldiers killed.
5,000(?) people die every day from whatever causes, old age, etc.
We can't just keep running in circles, but we don't have
a real war with a real country. Kind of makes me miss the
good old days when it was just the USSR and Cuba.
Bill Baka

--
Just Bill again

11-14-2004, 04:50 PM

On 15 Nov 2004 00:39:58 GMT, Hunrobe <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
<big snip>
> Others are free to draw their own inferences but all the above figures
> seem to
> indicate to me is that approximately 1/3 of those polled weren't paying
> attention. What I think is clear though is none of the polls you cite
> indicate
> that a majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was directly
> responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Hunt

Just like the theory that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor
but had to let it happen to get Americans pissed off enough
to get into the war.
Bush could have, repeat 'could have' known something
was going down before 9/11 but never would have allowed
the towers to be taken down. A single plane into the
Pentagon would have done it, but killing all those people
in the towers was just too much. Government works in
strange ways. Here it is 3 years later and all we know
is that muslims hate us, islamics really hate us, well
maybe they hate everybody, but somehow we stepped into
a big pile of crap. We may never know who really did it
but I heard that most of the hijackers were from
Saudi Arabia, our buddies. I also would not rule
out Jordan or Libya where we are not popular.
It is a mess, and we could just bankrupt the USA fighting
terrorism, like we bankrupted the USSR.
Maybe that was the terrorist goal, to put us into a panic
mode and jump at every little thing.
3,000 people dead from the terrorist attacks.
1,000+ soldiers killed.
5,000(?) people die every day from whatever causes, old age, etc.
We can't just keep running in circles, but we don't have
a real war with a real country. Kind of makes me miss the
good old days when it was just the USSR and Cuba.
Bill Baka

--
Just Bill again

11-14-2004, 04:50 PM

On 15 Nov 2004 00:39:58 GMT, Hunrobe <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
<big snip>
> Others are free to draw their own inferences but all the above figures
> seem to
> indicate to me is that approximately 1/3 of those polled weren't paying
> attention. What I think is clear though is none of the polls you cite
> indicate
> that a majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was directly
> responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Hunt

Just like the theory that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor
but had to let it happen to get Americans pissed off enough
to get into the war.
Bush could have, repeat 'could have' known something
was going down before 9/11 but never would have allowed
the towers to be taken down. A single plane into the
Pentagon would have done it, but killing all those people
in the towers was just too much. Government works in
strange ways. Here it is 3 years later and all we know
is that muslims hate us, islamics really hate us, well
maybe they hate everybody, but somehow we stepped into
a big pile of crap. We may never know who really did it
but I heard that most of the hijackers were from
Saudi Arabia, our buddies. I also would not rule
out Jordan or Libya where we are not popular.
It is a mess, and we could just bankrupt the USA fighting
terrorism, like we bankrupted the USSR.
Maybe that was the terrorist goal, to put us into a panic
mode and jump at every little thing.
3,000 people dead from the terrorist attacks.
1,000+ soldiers killed.
5,000(?) people die every day from whatever causes, old age, etc.
We can't just keep running in circles, but we don't have
a real war with a real country. Kind of makes me miss the
good old days when it was just the USSR and Cuba.
Bill Baka

--
Just Bill again