The election results II - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

11-04-2004, 02:10 AM

The results - Kerry loses and does not whine avout it! How unlike a
democrat! Not that all the dummycrats are bad, but when Al Gore caused
the whole big stink in 2000 that really turned me off of the party!
Kerry did the smart thing and conceeded the election quickly!

I think that the whole idea of political parties is crazy! Just vote
for the person that you agree with the most. I personally think some
of what Kerry had to say made sense, but I also agree with some of
what Bush says! And Nader is just a nutball!

The President has my support on the war on terrorism and homeland
security, but his economic policies and energy plans are insane! We
need an economic plan that encourages companies to keep jobs here in
our country, and energy policies that will help reduce our relience on
fossil fuels.

There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?

Ken

11-04-2004, 03:31 AM

"live-free" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ...
> The results - Kerry loses and does not whine avout it! How unlike a
> democrat! Not that all the dummycrats are bad, but when Al Gore caused
> the whole big stink in 2000 that really turned me off of the party!
> Kerry did the smart thing and conceeded the election quickly!
>
> I think that the whole idea of political parties is crazy! Just vote
> for the person that you agree with the most. I personally think some
> of what Kerry had to say made sense, but I also agree with some of
> what Bush says! And Nader is just a nutball!
>
> The President has my support on the war on terrorism and homeland
> security, but his economic policies and energy plans are insane! We
> need an economic plan that encourages companies to keep jobs here in
> our country, and energy policies that will help reduce our relience on
> fossil fuels.
>
> There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
> is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
> hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
> Ken

I have a farm and my wife and I have tried to get into alternative energy
sources and to "get off the grid." Our conclusion is that the available
alternatives are just not developed yet to a point that they're practical
and affordable. They're ridiculously complicated and expensive. Of course,
there's been little incentive for their development. A 10 watt solar panel
still costs around $200 (on average ... retail). It'll barely run a small
greenhouse fan. And unless you have a constant breeze of 14 mph or so
(which I don't in my area), wind won't do anything for you. Again, that's
not to say those technologies couldn't be advanced, but they aren't
practical now. As for hydrodynamic ... well, there's a lot of hydroelectric
already. I think it's subject to physical limitations ... there aren't
enough rivers to dam.

But I hear you. If the incentives were there, the alternatives would be
developed.

Now that the winter months are at hand, if I could hook my rollers to some
sort of turbine, I'd probably be able to help out a few families.

Bob C.

11-04-2004, 03:31 AM

"live-free" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ...
> The results - Kerry loses and does not whine avout it! How unlike a
> democrat! Not that all the dummycrats are bad, but when Al Gore caused
> the whole big stink in 2000 that really turned me off of the party!
> Kerry did the smart thing and conceeded the election quickly!
>
> I think that the whole idea of political parties is crazy! Just vote
> for the person that you agree with the most. I personally think some
> of what Kerry had to say made sense, but I also agree with some of
> what Bush says! And Nader is just a nutball!
>
> The President has my support on the war on terrorism and homeland
> security, but his economic policies and energy plans are insane! We
> need an economic plan that encourages companies to keep jobs here in
> our country, and energy policies that will help reduce our relience on
> fossil fuels.
>
> There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
> is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
> hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
> Ken

I have a farm and my wife and I have tried to get into alternative energy
sources and to "get off the grid." Our conclusion is that the available
alternatives are just not developed yet to a point that they're practical
and affordable. They're ridiculously complicated and expensive. Of course,
there's been little incentive for their development. A 10 watt solar panel
still costs around $200 (on average ... retail). It'll barely run a small
greenhouse fan. And unless you have a constant breeze of 14 mph or so
(which I don't in my area), wind won't do anything for you. Again, that's
not to say those technologies couldn't be advanced, but they aren't
practical now. As for hydrodynamic ... well, there's a lot of hydroelectric
already. I think it's subject to physical limitations ... there aren't
enough rivers to dam.

But I hear you. If the incentives were there, the alternatives would be
developed.

Now that the winter months are at hand, if I could hook my rollers to some
sort of turbine, I'd probably be able to help out a few families.

Bob C.

11-04-2004, 03:31 AM

"live-free" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ...
> The results - Kerry loses and does not whine avout it! How unlike a
> democrat! Not that all the dummycrats are bad, but when Al Gore caused
> the whole big stink in 2000 that really turned me off of the party!
> Kerry did the smart thing and conceeded the election quickly!
>
> I think that the whole idea of political parties is crazy! Just vote
> for the person that you agree with the most. I personally think some
> of what Kerry had to say made sense, but I also agree with some of
> what Bush says! And Nader is just a nutball!
>
> The President has my support on the war on terrorism and homeland
> security, but his economic policies and energy plans are insane! We
> need an economic plan that encourages companies to keep jobs here in
> our country, and energy policies that will help reduce our relience on
> fossil fuels.
>
> There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
> is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
> hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
> Ken

I have a farm and my wife and I have tried to get into alternative energy
sources and to "get off the grid." Our conclusion is that the available
alternatives are just not developed yet to a point that they're practical
and affordable. They're ridiculously complicated and expensive. Of course,
there's been little incentive for their development. A 10 watt solar panel
still costs around $200 (on average ... retail). It'll barely run a small
greenhouse fan. And unless you have a constant breeze of 14 mph or so
(which I don't in my area), wind won't do anything for you. Again, that's
not to say those technologies couldn't be advanced, but they aren't
practical now. As for hydrodynamic ... well, there's a lot of hydroelectric
already. I think it's subject to physical limitations ... there aren't
enough rivers to dam.

But I hear you. If the incentives were there, the alternatives would be
developed.

Now that the winter months are at hand, if I could hook my rollers to some
sort of turbine, I'd probably be able to help out a few families.

Bob C.

11-04-2004, 03:31 AM

"live-free" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ...
> The results - Kerry loses and does not whine avout it! How unlike a
> democrat! Not that all the dummycrats are bad, but when Al Gore caused
> the whole big stink in 2000 that really turned me off of the party!
> Kerry did the smart thing and conceeded the election quickly!
>
> I think that the whole idea of political parties is crazy! Just vote
> for the person that you agree with the most. I personally think some
> of what Kerry had to say made sense, but I also agree with some of
> what Bush says! And Nader is just a nutball!
>
> The President has my support on the war on terrorism and homeland
> security, but his economic policies and energy plans are insane! We
> need an economic plan that encourages companies to keep jobs here in
> our country, and energy policies that will help reduce our relience on
> fossil fuels.
>
> There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
> is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
> hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
> Ken

I have a farm and my wife and I have tried to get into alternative energy
sources and to "get off the grid." Our conclusion is that the available
alternatives are just not developed yet to a point that they're practical
and affordable. They're ridiculously complicated and expensive. Of course,
there's been little incentive for their development. A 10 watt solar panel
still costs around $200 (on average ... retail). It'll barely run a small
greenhouse fan. And unless you have a constant breeze of 14 mph or so
(which I don't in my area), wind won't do anything for you. Again, that's
not to say those technologies couldn't be advanced, but they aren't
practical now. As for hydrodynamic ... well, there's a lot of hydroelectric
already. I think it's subject to physical limitations ... there aren't
enough rivers to dam.

But I hear you. If the incentives were there, the alternatives would be
developed.

Now that the winter months are at hand, if I could hook my rollers to some
sort of turbine, I'd probably be able to help out a few families.

Bob C.

11-04-2004, 04:22 AM

If a politician was able to make an economic plan, we would call them
'businessman', 'entrepreneur', 'CEO' or similar. It is not within their
personalities to earn their own way, they are more of a leach class. Politicians
can certainly discourage business through taxation and regulation, but can do
very little to encourage business to do anything. When they try, it is called
'loopholes', special favors, or tax breaks for the rich.
>
>There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
>is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
>hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
It is my understanding that both the Cheney and Bush private residences are
solar and off grid, and at least one has a vehicle that runs on some kind of non
traditional fuel.

I found that for about $30,000 I could take my house/business off grid. The
business is a copy shop with three computers and two large copy machines.
Unfortunately, with an energy bill of $130-$175 monthly, it was an investment
that won't pay off in a reasonable period of time, tax incentives don't help .

I would be interested in how building codes could be implemented in appropriate
areas that would require some kind of alternate energy implementation on new
construction/remodels. With increased usage, then the prices should drop, yada
yada yada

But this whole thing is, after all, OT to the bicycle group

11-04-2004, 04:22 AM

If a politician was able to make an economic plan, we would call them
'businessman', 'entrepreneur', 'CEO' or similar. It is not within their
personalities to earn their own way, they are more of a leach class. Politicians
can certainly discourage business through taxation and regulation, but can do
very little to encourage business to do anything. When they try, it is called
'loopholes', special favors, or tax breaks for the rich.
>
>There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
>is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
>hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
It is my understanding that both the Cheney and Bush private residences are
solar and off grid, and at least one has a vehicle that runs on some kind of non
traditional fuel.

I found that for about $30,000 I could take my house/business off grid. The
business is a copy shop with three computers and two large copy machines.
Unfortunately, with an energy bill of $130-$175 monthly, it was an investment
that won't pay off in a reasonable period of time, tax incentives don't help .

I would be interested in how building codes could be implemented in appropriate
areas that would require some kind of alternate energy implementation on new
construction/remodels. With increased usage, then the prices should drop, yada
yada yada

But this whole thing is, after all, OT to the bicycle group

11-04-2004, 04:22 AM

If a politician was able to make an economic plan, we would call them
'businessman', 'entrepreneur', 'CEO' or similar. It is not within their
personalities to earn their own way, they are more of a leach class. Politicians
can certainly discourage business through taxation and regulation, but can do
very little to encourage business to do anything. When they try, it is called
'loopholes', special favors, or tax breaks for the rich.
>
>There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
>is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
>hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
It is my understanding that both the Cheney and Bush private residences are
solar and off grid, and at least one has a vehicle that runs on some kind of non
traditional fuel.

I found that for about $30,000 I could take my house/business off grid. The
business is a copy shop with three computers and two large copy machines.
Unfortunately, with an energy bill of $130-$175 monthly, it was an investment
that won't pay off in a reasonable period of time, tax incentives don't help .

I would be interested in how building codes could be implemented in appropriate
areas that would require some kind of alternate energy implementation on new
construction/remodels. With increased usage, then the prices should drop, yada
yada yada

But this whole thing is, after all, OT to the bicycle group

11-04-2004, 04:22 AM

If a politician was able to make an economic plan, we would call them
'businessman', 'entrepreneur', 'CEO' or similar. It is not within their
personalities to earn their own way, they are more of a leach class. Politicians
can certainly discourage business through taxation and regulation, but can do
very little to encourage business to do anything. When they try, it is called
'loopholes', special favors, or tax breaks for the rich.
>
>There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
>is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
>hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
It is my understanding that both the Cheney and Bush private residences are
solar and off grid, and at least one has a vehicle that runs on some kind of non
traditional fuel.

I found that for about $30,000 I could take my house/business off grid. The
business is a copy shop with three computers and two large copy machines.
Unfortunately, with an energy bill of $130-$175 monthly, it was an investment
that won't pay off in a reasonable period of time, tax incentives don't help .

I would be interested in how building codes could be implemented in appropriate
areas that would require some kind of alternate energy implementation on new
construction/remodels. With increased usage, then the prices should drop, yada
yada yada

But this whole thing is, after all, OT to the bicycle group

11-04-2004, 05:32 AM

On 4 Nov 2004 03:10:16 -0800, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (live-free) wrote:

>The results - Kerry loses and does not whine avout it! How unlike a
>democrat! Not that all the dummycrats are bad, but when Al Gore caused
>the whole big stink in 2000 that really turned me off of the party!
>Kerry did the smart thing and conceeded the election quickly!
>
>I think that the whole idea of political parties is crazy! Just vote
>for the person that you agree with the most. I personally think some
>of what Kerry had to say made sense, but I also agree with some of
>what Bush says! And Nader is just a nutball!
>
>The President has my support on the war on terrorism and homeland
>security, but his economic policies and energy plans are insane! We
>need an economic plan that encourages companies to keep jobs here in
>our country, and energy policies that will help reduce our relience on
>fossil fuels.
>
>There are so many different sources of energy that can be used now it
>is silly that we still rely on fuels that have been around for
>hundreds of years. How about solar and wind? Or hydrodynamic?
>
>Ken

Biggest stock market winners the day after the election? Drug
companies, military companies, oil companies. Biggest loser?
Alternative energy.

Gee, I wonder why.