high maximum heart rate - Page 3

11-11-2004, 05:45 PM

pam_in_sc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:

> I've done a google group search and found lots of threads on various
> forums that come to the conclusion that a high maximum heart rate
> is normal variation. But I haven't found any references to medical
> articles. Does anyone know of any?

Here's an article from the Journal of Exercise Physiology:

The Surprising History of the "HRmax=220-age" Equation
Robert A. Robergs and Roberto Landwehr
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Michael Fuhr
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11-12-2004, 12:56 AM

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:05:42 -0500, pam_in_sc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>my doctor wanted to check it out, and so did the cardiologist
>she sent me to. And today I had my stress test and flunked. The EKG
>showed that when my heart rate went above 170 part of the wave (ST, I
>think) dropped out.

Well, maybe. My MHR regularly used to go up to 200 and more (before I
stopped looking) and I could maintain 185 for an hour or more with no
ill effects. Some people are just like that, I'm told. My resting
rate is under 60.

Guy
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11-12-2004, 12:56 AM

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:05:42 -0500, pam_in_sc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>my doctor wanted to check it out, and so did the cardiologist
>she sent me to. And today I had my stress test and flunked. The EKG
>showed that when my heart rate went above 170 part of the wave (ST, I
>think) dropped out.

Well, maybe. My MHR regularly used to go up to 200 and more (before I
stopped looking) and I could maintain 185 for an hour or more with no
ill effects. Some people are just like that, I'm told. My resting
rate is under 60.

Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

11-12-2004, 12:56 AM

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:05:42 -0500, pam_in_sc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>my doctor wanted to check it out, and so did the cardiologist
>she sent me to. And today I had my stress test and flunked. The EKG
>showed that when my heart rate went above 170 part of the wave (ST, I
>think) dropped out.

Well, maybe. My MHR regularly used to go up to 200 and more (before I
stopped looking) and I could maintain 185 for an hour or more with no
ill effects. Some people are just like that, I'm told. My resting
rate is under 60.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

11-12-2004, 12:56 AM

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:05:42 -0500, pam_in_sc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>my doctor wanted to check it out, and so did the cardiologist
>she sent me to. And today I had my stress test and flunked. The EKG
>showed that when my heart rate went above 170 part of the wave (ST, I
>think) dropped out.

Well, maybe. My MHR regularly used to go up to 200 and more (before I
stopped looking) and I could maintain 185 for an hour or more with no
ill effects. Some people are just like that, I'm told. My resting
rate is under 60.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

11-12-2004, 02:56 AM

Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles wrote:

> It's good to be informed, but keep in mind that any medical advice you get
> here that contradicts your doctor is *not* to be given a whole lot of merit.
> It may be something to discuss with your doctor, but beyond that? You're
> taking your life in your hands.

> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
> IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

My experience with diabetes is that doctors can only monitor what is
going on on an every three months basis, so they think about control on
that level. But I can control my blood sugar on an hour by hour basis,
and avoid spikes that lead to complications. Doctors know very little
about that, because it isn't the scale on which they think and because
they don't keep up with the latest literature and because they think in
terms of what the average patient will do. In fact doctors have to
recommend the standard guidelines or risk being sued, when it is very
clear that medical research on diabetes has shown it is possible to do
much better than the latest guidelines.

From that experience, I'm quick to want to learn about other approaches
beyond my doctor's first reaction. My goal is to take my life in my
hands--I'm clearly going to avoid complications of diabetes longer than
if I followed the guidelines of the American Diabetes Association. I
evaluate carefully the risks and the quality of information.

Pam

11-12-2004, 02:56 AM

Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles wrote:

> It's good to be informed, but keep in mind that any medical advice you get
> here that contradicts your doctor is *not* to be given a whole lot of merit.
> It may be something to discuss with your doctor, but beyond that? You're
> taking your life in your hands.

> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
> IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

My experience with diabetes is that doctors can only monitor what is
going on on an every three months basis, so they think about control on
that level. But I can control my blood sugar on an hour by hour basis,
and avoid spikes that lead to complications. Doctors know very little
about that, because it isn't the scale on which they think and because
they don't keep up with the latest literature and because they think in
terms of what the average patient will do. In fact doctors have to
recommend the standard guidelines or risk being sued, when it is very
clear that medical research on diabetes has shown it is possible to do
much better than the latest guidelines.

From that experience, I'm quick to want to learn about other approaches
beyond my doctor's first reaction. My goal is to take my life in my
hands--I'm clearly going to avoid complications of diabetes longer than
if I followed the guidelines of the American Diabetes Association. I
evaluate carefully the risks and the quality of information.

Pam

11-12-2004, 02:56 AM

Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles wrote:

> It's good to be informed, but keep in mind that any medical advice you get
> here that contradicts your doctor is *not* to be given a whole lot of merit.
> It may be something to discuss with your doctor, but beyond that? You're
> taking your life in your hands.

> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
> IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

My experience with diabetes is that doctors can only monitor what is
going on on an every three months basis, so they think about control on
that level. But I can control my blood sugar on an hour by hour basis,
and avoid spikes that lead to complications. Doctors know very little
about that, because it isn't the scale on which they think and because
they don't keep up with the latest literature and because they think in
terms of what the average patient will do. In fact doctors have to
recommend the standard guidelines or risk being sued, when it is very
clear that medical research on diabetes has shown it is possible to do
much better than the latest guidelines.

From that experience, I'm quick to want to learn about other approaches
beyond my doctor's first reaction. My goal is to take my life in my
hands--I'm clearly going to avoid complications of diabetes longer than
if I followed the guidelines of the American Diabetes Association. I
evaluate carefully the risks and the quality of information.

Pam

11-12-2004, 02:56 AM

Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles wrote:

> It's good to be informed, but keep in mind that any medical advice you get
> here that contradicts your doctor is *not* to be given a whole lot of merit.
> It may be something to discuss with your doctor, but beyond that? You're
> taking your life in your hands.

> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
> IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

My experience with diabetes is that doctors can only monitor what is
going on on an every three months basis, so they think about control on
that level. But I can control my blood sugar on an hour by hour basis,
and avoid spikes that lead to complications. Doctors know very little
about that, because it isn't the scale on which they think and because
they don't keep up with the latest literature and because they think in
terms of what the average patient will do. In fact doctors have to
recommend the standard guidelines or risk being sued, when it is very
clear that medical research on diabetes has shown it is possible to do
much better than the latest guidelines.

From that experience, I'm quick to want to learn about other approaches
beyond my doctor's first reaction. My goal is to take my life in my
hands--I'm clearly going to avoid complications of diabetes longer than
if I followed the guidelines of the American Diabetes Association. I
evaluate carefully the risks and the quality of information.

Pam

11-12-2004, 02:59 AM

Michael Fuhr wrote:

> Here's an article from the Journal of Exercise Physiology:
>
> The Surprising History of the "HRmax=220-age" Equation
> Robert A. Robergs and Roberto Landwehr
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>

Thanks! that is a start. I'm going to need more than that to make my
point to the cardiologist, and so far I haven't figured out the right
search to find it on pubmed.

Pam