Re: AMERICAS FUTURE - Page 27 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

12-09-2004, 06:43 PM

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:54:01 GMT, Neil Brooks <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Gooserider wrote:
>
>> Did your great-grandparents come here legally, through Ellis
>> Island(or whatever)? I'm sure they did. The problem is ILLEGAL
>> IMMIGRATION. If people
>> want to come here they must follow the rules. You can't just sneak
>> in.
>
> Yep, mine came legally, through Ellis Island, but they came at a
> different
> time, IN a different world, FROM a different place and FOR different
> reasons.
>
> A substantive difference, IMHO, is /why/ the immigration problem
> currently
> exists, and on the scale to which it does.
>
> Let me propose one reason: employers virtually never take the heat for
> knowingly or "wink-wink" knowingly hiring illegals. The illegals who are
> caught are deported and more follow on their heels into this country for
> the
> employers to hire. Cheap, local labor is a Business imperative in this
> country.
>
> If illegals were made legals--either through an amnesty of sorts or a
> revision upward of current quotas--that would make them eligible for
> Minimum
> Wage (and to pay taxes). That--if you believe Big Business--would simply
> /crush/ business, make restaurants and produce unaffordable, blah, blah,
> blah. What it really would do is hurt the profitability of some
> corporations and make Suburbanites have to dig deeper in their pockets
> for
> their domestics and landscapers.
>
> Illegal aliens are like Big Tobacco in this country. Sure, it's a
> problem,
> but we profit so immensely from it that nobody wants it to go away. If
> that's the case, I'd rather that the victims at least be educated,
> healthy,
> and protected . . . in some fashion.
>
> Plus, take a look at our immigration policy. If you're Cuban, it's the
> "wet
> food, dry land" policy. IOW: we don't like Castro's Communism so it's
> open
> season for immigrants. Show up in Miami from Port-au-Prince, Haiti,
> OTOH,
> and go to jail until you're deported.
>
> Our current immigration policy is a political tool, for sale just like
> any
> other. I don't happen to care for the current owners. /Wholesale/
> reform,
> I'd be interested in seeing.
>
>
For once I agree completely, we need to clean house from the top down.

--
Bill (?) Baka

12-09-2004, 06:48 PM

Gooserider wrote:

> My response was to Neil, who is unable to see the difference between legal
> immigration and illegal invasion.

Illegal invasion? Now why'd you go and drag Iraq into this....

12-09-2004, 06:48 PM

Gooserider wrote:

> My response was to Neil, who is unable to see the difference between legal
> immigration and illegal invasion.

Illegal invasion? Now why'd you go and drag Iraq into this....

12-09-2004, 06:48 PM

Gooserider wrote:

> My response was to Neil, who is unable to see the difference between legal
> immigration and illegal invasion.

Illegal invasion? Now why'd you go and drag Iraq into this....

12-09-2004, 06:48 PM

Gooserider wrote:

> My response was to Neil, who is unable to see the difference between legal
> immigration and illegal invasion.

Illegal invasion? Now why'd you go and drag Iraq into this....

12-09-2004, 08:12 PM

Bill Baka wrote:
>>
> I didn't know what LSD was in 1957, did you?

Lake Shore Drive?

--
Mike Kruger
"So class, who can tell me how much of our genetic code we
share with
chimpanzees?" "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh! I know, sir!"

12-09-2004, 08:12 PM

Bill Baka wrote:
>>
> I didn't know what LSD was in 1957, did you?

Lake Shore Drive?

--
Mike Kruger
"So class, who can tell me how much of our genetic code we
share with
chimpanzees?" "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh! I know, sir!"

12-09-2004, 08:12 PM

Bill Baka wrote:
>>
> I didn't know what LSD was in 1957, did you?

Lake Shore Drive?

--
Mike Kruger
"So class, who can tell me how much of our genetic code we
share with
chimpanzees?" "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh! I know, sir!"

12-09-2004, 08:12 PM

Bill Baka wrote:
>>
> I didn't know what LSD was in 1957, did you?

Lake Shore Drive?

--
Mike Kruger
"So class, who can tell me how much of our genetic code we
share with
chimpanzees?" "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh! I know, sir!"

12-11-2004, 08:54 AM

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:12:16 -0600, Mike Kruger <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>
>> I didn't know what LSD was in 1957, did you?
>
> Lake Shore Drive?
>
Good comeback line. Probably my favorite drive in Chicago. At least it was.
I also get hung up in the museum of science and industry and the field
museum.
I miss going into the U-505 and appreciating what they had to do during the
war, them and us, both sides good men, one side wrong reason.

--
Bill (?) Baka