First ride review: Schwinn Sidewinder from Walmart 20.6 mile ride. - Page 31

01-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:43:40 -0800, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Peter <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Do you have any evidence that poor brake repair jobs by
>car owners are resulting in any significant number of
>accidents. I don't remember ever seeing this being
>mentioned as the cause of an accident.

I've seen various figures between three and 8.5 percent of "accidents"
are attributable to mechanical failure.
The number of those resulting from DIY mechanical ineptitude is
insignificant compared to the overall number of "accidents" caused by
driver ineptitude.
--
zk

01-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:48:49 -0600, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
A Muzi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Zoot Katz wrote:
>> With automobile brakes, there ought to be a law specifying that
>> qualified and certified pros do it.
>
>Why? It's hard to screw up.

Yet it's done regularly, even at the factory.

It's hard to screw up installing a new gas space heater too. Most
places I know of require certification for the installers. Gas fitting
isn't any more complicated than hydraulics.

Uncontrollable motor vehicles and exploding houses both pose potential
danger to a community.
--
zk

01-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:48:49 -0600, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
A Muzi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Zoot Katz wrote:
>> With automobile brakes, there ought to be a law specifying that
>> qualified and certified pros do it.
>
>Why? It's hard to screw up.

Yet it's done regularly, even at the factory.

It's hard to screw up installing a new gas space heater too. Most
places I know of require certification for the installers. Gas fitting
isn't any more complicated than hydraulics.

Uncontrollable motor vehicles and exploding houses both pose potential
danger to a community.
--
zk

01-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:48:49 -0600, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
A Muzi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Zoot Katz wrote:
>> With automobile brakes, there ought to be a law specifying that
>> qualified and certified pros do it.
>
>Why? It's hard to screw up.

Yet it's done regularly, even at the factory.

It's hard to screw up installing a new gas space heater too. Most
places I know of require certification for the installers. Gas fitting
isn't any more complicated than hydraulics.

Uncontrollable motor vehicles and exploding houses both pose potential
danger to a community.
--
zk

01-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:48:49 -0600, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
A Muzi <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Zoot Katz wrote:
>> With automobile brakes, there ought to be a law specifying that
>> qualified and certified pros do it.
>
>Why? It's hard to screw up.

Yet it's done regularly, even at the factory.

It's hard to screw up installing a new gas space heater too. Most
places I know of require certification for the installers. Gas fitting
isn't any more complicated than hydraulics.

Uncontrollable motor vehicles and exploding houses both pose potential
danger to a community.
--
zk

01-07-2005, 12:15 PM

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:22:52 GMT, Werehatrack <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:02:56 -0800, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <1105059871.fe1acdc85cddfb3532308792207d2c71@teran ews>,
>> "Mike Kruger" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>>
>>> That new Schwinn Stingray --
>>... It looks cool, but I guess
>>> there will be a lot of "mint" ones of these available in
>>> later years because it's hard to imagine a child riding it.
>>
>>I remember when the originals hit the market. The big deal
>>was, you could pop wheelies with 'em.
>
>And that was their downfall as well, when kids started getting hurt
>doing it. In fact, it was *too* easy to do a wheelie on them, so that
>sometimes kids would do one when they didn't mean to...and often went
>all the way over backwards and did a head-bash.
>
>>As for nowadays, the lowrider folx (and maybe the chopper
>>artists) seem to like them, although I'd expect an original
>>would have more aesthetic appeal.
>
>I briefly wondered if one of them might make a good base for brewing a
>'bent, but that overly fat rear tire just looks like a stunningly good
>way to waste effort dragging a bunch of extra weight around.

Sick minds think alike.

I've been noodling on the idea of how a chopper style bike might be built fast
and aero without having the recumbent geekishness.

Ron

01-07-2005, 12:15 PM

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:22:52 GMT, Werehatrack <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:02:56 -0800, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <1105059871.fe1acdc85cddfb3532308792207d2c71@teran ews>,
>> "Mike Kruger" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>>
>>> That new Schwinn Stingray --
>>... It looks cool, but I guess
>>> there will be a lot of "mint" ones of these available in
>>> later years because it's hard to imagine a child riding it.
>>
>>I remember when the originals hit the market. The big deal
>>was, you could pop wheelies with 'em.
>
>And that was their downfall as well, when kids started getting hurt
>doing it. In fact, it was *too* easy to do a wheelie on them, so that
>sometimes kids would do one when they didn't mean to...and often went
>all the way over backwards and did a head-bash.
>
>>As for nowadays, the lowrider folx (and maybe the chopper
>>artists) seem to like them, although I'd expect an original
>>would have more aesthetic appeal.
>
>I briefly wondered if one of them might make a good base for brewing a
>'bent, but that overly fat rear tire just looks like a stunningly good
>way to waste effort dragging a bunch of extra weight around.

Sick minds think alike.

I've been noodling on the idea of how a chopper style bike might be built fast
and aero without having the recumbent geekishness.

Ron

01-07-2005, 12:15 PM

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:22:52 GMT, Werehatrack <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:02:56 -0800, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <1105059871.fe1acdc85cddfb3532308792207d2c71@teran ews>,
>> "Mike Kruger" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>>
>>> That new Schwinn Stingray --
>>... It looks cool, but I guess
>>> there will be a lot of "mint" ones of these available in
>>> later years because it's hard to imagine a child riding it.
>>
>>I remember when the originals hit the market. The big deal
>>was, you could pop wheelies with 'em.
>
>And that was their downfall as well, when kids started getting hurt
>doing it. In fact, it was *too* easy to do a wheelie on them, so that
>sometimes kids would do one when they didn't mean to...and often went
>all the way over backwards and did a head-bash.
>
>>As for nowadays, the lowrider folx (and maybe the chopper
>>artists) seem to like them, although I'd expect an original
>>would have more aesthetic appeal.
>
>I briefly wondered if one of them might make a good base for brewing a
>'bent, but that overly fat rear tire just looks like a stunningly good
>way to waste effort dragging a bunch of extra weight around.

Sick minds think alike.

I've been noodling on the idea of how a chopper style bike might be built fast
and aero without having the recumbent geekishness.

Ron

01-07-2005, 12:15 PM

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:22:52 GMT, Werehatrack <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:02:56 -0800, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <1105059871.fe1acdc85cddfb3532308792207d2c71@teran ews>,
>> "Mike Kruger" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>>
>>> That new Schwinn Stingray --
>>... It looks cool, but I guess
>>> there will be a lot of "mint" ones of these available in
>>> later years because it's hard to imagine a child riding it.
>>
>>I remember when the originals hit the market. The big deal
>>was, you could pop wheelies with 'em.
>
>And that was their downfall as well, when kids started getting hurt
>doing it. In fact, it was *too* easy to do a wheelie on them, so that
>sometimes kids would do one when they didn't mean to...and often went
>all the way over backwards and did a head-bash.
>
>>As for nowadays, the lowrider folx (and maybe the chopper
>>artists) seem to like them, although I'd expect an original
>>would have more aesthetic appeal.
>
>I briefly wondered if one of them might make a good base for brewing a
>'bent, but that overly fat rear tire just looks like a stunningly good
>way to waste effort dragging a bunch of extra weight around.

Sick minds think alike.

I've been noodling on the idea of how a chopper style bike might be built fast
and aero without having the recumbent geekishness.

Ron

01-07-2005, 01:00 PM

An interesting thing I have noticed about purchasing used old-time
10-speeds :

=> If the frame is reynolds tubing, and the item (bike, frameset)
is priced less than $150, then the item is priced at less than the
cost of replacement materials (frame tubing, lugs.)

There aren't many markets that are more favorable to consumers of used
goods ...

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA