Trek bike weights and tire sizes - ping Mike Jacoubowsky? - Page 2

01-17-2005, 10:31 AM

I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early Kline
Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of these. My
feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of chip seal a
year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber. I need
real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
feel my feet.

Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Alan A****
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01-17-2005, 10:31 AM

I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early Kline
Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of these. My
feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of chip seal a
year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber. I need
real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
feel my feet.

Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Alan A****
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

01-17-2005, 10:31 AM

I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early Kline
Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of these. My
feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of chip seal a
year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber. I need
real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
feel my feet.

Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Alan A****
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01-17-2005, 12:09 PM

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:31:37 -0600, "Alan C. A****" <a****@comcast.not>
wrote:

>I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early Kline
>Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of these. My
>feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of chip seal a
>year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

Chip seal - type of rough asphault...I can imagine that - we've kicked out
one road where we ride b/c of excessive buzz. Be interesting to compart a
bike on that stretch using carbon seat-stays and maybe that shock absorber
gasket they're touting - don't know about that - would it not be a fail
point?

From their site:
........<snip>.......
The all-new Rêve (pr. rev) road bicycle features and ultra-lightweight
aluminum and carbon frame with the tuneable s.p.a. (Suspension Performance
Advantage) shock absorbtion system. Tune your bike to Medium (100-150 lbs.)
Firm (150-200 lbs.) or Stiff (200 lbs. and up) for the ultimate in
lightweight, high-performance road cycling.
........<snip>.......

>I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
>attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
>buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
>about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber.

Thing about the Pilot, is, what's the advantage of the V top tube versus
the straight bar top? They say 'more upright riding position', but why not
just get a longer stem, or flip the stem? I think I'm going to go with the
straight bar configurated bike next, but I do like the Pilot - just not
sure why they designed it like that? I -think- I'm moving away from the
'more upright riding position', myself. ;-)

>I need real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
>feel my feet.

I'm still working up to a century, but I can see where at >30 - 40 miles
per day, you would not want to be wet and muddy for nearly two hours, which
it sounds like your rides last.

Hasn't become an issue for me yet. Just solved the "hands/forearms getting
numb problem", myself, mostly. Guess numb feet come later, lol.

>Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Thanks for the great suggestions.

jj

>
>Alan A****
>a****@comcast.net

01-17-2005, 12:09 PM

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:31:37 -0600, "Alan C. A****" <a****@comcast.not>
wrote:

>I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early Kline
>Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of these. My
>feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of chip seal a
>year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

Chip seal - type of rough asphault...I can imagine that - we've kicked out
one road where we ride b/c of excessive buzz. Be interesting to compart a
bike on that stretch using carbon seat-stays and maybe that shock absorber
gasket they're touting - don't know about that - would it not be a fail
point?

From their site:
........<snip>.......
The all-new Rêve (pr. rev) road bicycle features and ultra-lightweight
aluminum and carbon frame with the tuneable s.p.a. (Suspension Performance
Advantage) shock absorbtion system. Tune your bike to Medium (100-150 lbs.)
Firm (150-200 lbs.) or Stiff (200 lbs. and up) for the ultimate in
lightweight, high-performance road cycling.
........<snip>.......

>I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
>attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
>buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
>about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber.

Thing about the Pilot, is, what's the advantage of the V top tube versus
the straight bar top? They say 'more upright riding position', but why not
just get a longer stem, or flip the stem? I think I'm going to go with the
straight bar configurated bike next, but I do like the Pilot - just not
sure why they designed it like that? I -think- I'm moving away from the
'more upright riding position', myself. ;-)

>I need real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
>feel my feet.

I'm still working up to a century, but I can see where at >30 - 40 miles
per day, you would not want to be wet and muddy for nearly two hours, which
it sounds like your rides last.

Hasn't become an issue for me yet. Just solved the "hands/forearms getting
numb problem", myself, mostly. Guess numb feet come later, lol.

>Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Thanks for the great suggestions.

jj

>
>Alan A****
>a****@comcast.net

01-17-2005, 12:09 PM

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:31:37 -0600, "Alan C. A****" <a****@comcast.not>
wrote:

>I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early Kline
>Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of these. My
>feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of chip seal a
>year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

Chip seal - type of rough asphault...I can imagine that - we've kicked out
one road where we ride b/c of excessive buzz. Be interesting to compart a
bike on that stretch using carbon seat-stays and maybe that shock absorber
gasket they're touting - don't know about that - would it not be a fail
point?

From their site:
........<snip>.......
The all-new Rêve (pr. rev) road bicycle features and ultra-lightweight
aluminum and carbon frame with the tuneable s.p.a. (Suspension Performance
Advantage) shock absorbtion system. Tune your bike to Medium (100-150 lbs.)
Firm (150-200 lbs.) or Stiff (200 lbs. and up) for the ultimate in
lightweight, high-performance road cycling.
........<snip>.......

>I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
>attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
>buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
>about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber.

Thing about the Pilot, is, what's the advantage of the V top tube versus
the straight bar top? They say 'more upright riding position', but why not
just get a longer stem, or flip the stem? I think I'm going to go with the
straight bar configurated bike next, but I do like the Pilot - just not
sure why they designed it like that? I -think- I'm moving away from the
'more upright riding position', myself. ;-)

>I need real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
>feel my feet.

I'm still working up to a century, but I can see where at >30 - 40 miles
per day, you would not want to be wet and muddy for nearly two hours, which
it sounds like your rides last.

Hasn't become an issue for me yet. Just solved the "hands/forearms getting
numb problem", myself, mostly. Guess numb feet come later, lol.

>Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Thanks for the great suggestions.

jj

>
>Alan A****
>a****@comcast.net

01-17-2005, 07:08 PM

Alan C. A**** <a****@comcast.not> wrote:
>I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
>attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
>buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
>about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber. I need
>real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
>feel my feet.
>
>Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

If you want a bike with caliper brakes, and if you want to fit
both 28mm tires and fenders underneath those brakes, then you
really, really want long-reach calipers. In fact I'd argue that
if you want fenders on a bike with caliper brakes then you want
long-reach brakes regardless of tire size (life is too short to
spend it trying to eliminate fender rubbing in the teeny tiny space
under short-reach calipers), but with 28mm tires the long-reach
brakes are definitely required.

I know the Reve has long reach brakes, but I'm not sure about the
Pilot. If the latter lacks them then I think you have your answer.

As for comfort, I think the effect of the material the frame is
made from is hugely overrated. In order of importance some things
that influence comfort more strongly might be tires, tires, tires,
tires, handle bars and fork, seat and seat post, and frame geometry,
with frame material way, way behind these (if it matters at all).

Dennis Ferguson

01-17-2005, 07:08 PM

Alan C. A**** <a****@comcast.not> wrote:
>I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
>attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
>buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
>about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber. I need
>real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
>feel my feet.
>
>Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

If you want a bike with caliper brakes, and if you want to fit
both 28mm tires and fenders underneath those brakes, then you
really, really want long-reach calipers. In fact I'd argue that
if you want fenders on a bike with caliper brakes then you want
long-reach brakes regardless of tire size (life is too short to
spend it trying to eliminate fender rubbing in the teeny tiny space
under short-reach calipers), but with 28mm tires the long-reach
brakes are definitely required.

I know the Reve has long reach brakes, but I'm not sure about the
Pilot. If the latter lacks them then I think you have your answer.

As for comfort, I think the effect of the material the frame is
made from is hugely overrated. In order of importance some things
that influence comfort more strongly might be tires, tires, tires,
tires, handle bars and fork, seat and seat post, and frame geometry,
with frame material way, way behind these (if it matters at all).

Dennis Ferguson

01-17-2005, 07:08 PM

Alan C. A**** <a****@comcast.not> wrote:
>I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
>attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
>buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
>about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber. I need
>real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
>feel my feet.
>
>Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

If you want a bike with caliper brakes, and if you want to fit
both 28mm tires and fenders underneath those brakes, then you
really, really want long-reach calipers. In fact I'd argue that
if you want fenders on a bike with caliper brakes then you want
long-reach brakes regardless of tire size (life is too short to
spend it trying to eliminate fender rubbing in the teeny tiny space
under short-reach calipers), but with 28mm tires the long-reach
brakes are definitely required.

I know the Reve has long reach brakes, but I'm not sure about the
Pilot. If the latter lacks them then I think you have your answer.

As for comfort, I think the effect of the material the frame is
made from is hugely overrated. In order of importance some things
that influence comfort more strongly might be tires, tires, tires,
tires, handle bars and fork, seat and seat post, and frame geometry,
with frame material way, way behind these (if it matters at all).

Dennis Ferguson

01-18-2005, 02:10 PM

Alan C. A**** wrote:

> I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early
> Kline Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of
> these. My feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of
> chip seal a year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.
>
> I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and
> this attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for
> fighting buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width
> tire and with about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz
> absorber. I need real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride
> centuries and still feel my feet.
>
> Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Try the fatter tires, and see how they work for you. You may be surprised. Get
some fast ones though, like Avocets or Continentals. Also, some saddles with
elastomer rail mounts, like the Turbomatic, are really good at killing road
buzz. A Turbomatic saddle probably has at least as much vertical compliance and
damping as one of these new soft tail frames.

Matt O.