Broken hub, replacement options? - Page 2

02-04-2005, 11:01 AM

"bfd" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:1106164131.578512.297150
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> I agree that the first thing you should do is contact Phil Wood. Phil
> can be very reasonable with repairs of its products.

I appreciate the advice. For the short term my local shop installed a
temporary hub (a Normandy, I believe) and I can at least get around on
the bike till I can find out what Phil Wood would charge to repair the
old hub.

> With regard to your frame, hey, it you're nostalgic and the frame fits
> you, no need to change it. You can "upgrade" your frame with modern
> components should you choose. Modern components may require you to
> spread your dropouts to fit 130mm standard, but other than that, you
> should be able to use it!

Will spreading the dropouts create metal fatigue on the frame eventually,
or isn't the spread that significant?

> If you need to build a new wheel, and a new Phil is too expensive. Take
> a look at Shimano or Campy's hubs. Both are excellent and will easily
> take 8, 9, or 10 speed cogs should you decide to make your bike more
> modern. Alternatively, freewheel hubs and complete wheels can be found
> fairly cheap on ebay, craigslist or your local bike shop bulletin board
> as most riders today don't use this form. Lots of ways to go. Good
> Luck!

Thanks very much for the details.

With the prospects of facing permanent retirement for my bike I realized
how nostalgic I actually am for that Allegro frame. The only other bike
made today that I could embrace might be a Rivendell, if I could afford
one. But I don't know how they rate next to more modern models. I sure
like their look, though.

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02-04-2005, 11:01 AM

"bfd" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:1106164131.578512.297150
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> I agree that the first thing you should do is contact Phil Wood. Phil
> can be very reasonable with repairs of its products.

I appreciate the advice. For the short term my local shop installed a
temporary hub (a Normandy, I believe) and I can at least get around on
the bike till I can find out what Phil Wood would charge to repair the
old hub.

> With regard to your frame, hey, it you're nostalgic and the frame fits
> you, no need to change it. You can "upgrade" your frame with modern
> components should you choose. Modern components may require you to
> spread your dropouts to fit 130mm standard, but other than that, you
> should be able to use it!

Will spreading the dropouts create metal fatigue on the frame eventually,
or isn't the spread that significant?

> If you need to build a new wheel, and a new Phil is too expensive. Take
> a look at Shimano or Campy's hubs. Both are excellent and will easily
> take 8, 9, or 10 speed cogs should you decide to make your bike more
> modern. Alternatively, freewheel hubs and complete wheels can be found
> fairly cheap on ebay, craigslist or your local bike shop bulletin board
> as most riders today don't use this form. Lots of ways to go. Good
> Luck!

Thanks very much for the details.

With the prospects of facing permanent retirement for my bike I realized
how nostalgic I actually am for that Allegro frame. The only other bike
made today that I could embrace might be a Rivendell, if I could afford
one. But I don't know how they rate next to more modern models. I sure
like their look, though.

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02-04-2005, 11:29 AM

In article <Xns95F37A4D4F7F2sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4>,
saki <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:

> Will spreading the dropouts create metal fatigue on the frame eventually,
> or isn't the spread that significant?

This article explaining frame spacing, by Sheldon Brown,
might be of interest to you:
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cheers,
Tom

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02-04-2005, 11:29 AM

In article <Xns95F37A4D4F7F2sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4>,
saki <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:

> Will spreading the dropouts create metal fatigue on the frame eventually,
> or isn't the spread that significant?

This article explaining frame spacing, by Sheldon Brown,
might be of interest to you:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

cheers,
Tom

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Above address is just a spam midden.
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02-04-2005, 11:31 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats) wrote in
news:lvl0uc.pah.ln@bud.garden.local:

> In article <Xns95F37A4D4F7F2sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4>,
> saki <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>
>> Will spreading the dropouts create metal fatigue on the frame
>> eventually, or isn't the spread that significant?
>
> This article explaining frame spacing, by Sheldon Brown,
> might be of interest to you:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Thanks, very helpful, if painful-looking.

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02-04-2005, 11:31 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats) wrote in
news:lvl0uc.pah.ln@bud.garden.local:

> In article <Xns95F37A4D4F7F2sakiuclaedu@130.133.1.4>,
> saki <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>
>> Will spreading the dropouts create metal fatigue on the frame
>> eventually, or isn't the spread that significant?
>
> This article explaining frame spacing, by Sheldon Brown,
> might be of interest to you:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Thanks, very helpful, if painful-looking.

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02-04-2005, 12:36 PM

Saki asks:

<Will spreading the dropouts create metal fatigue on the frame
eventually, or isn't the spread that significant? >

You may want to read the Bicycle FAQ "frames going soft" and "frame
fatique":

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<With the prospects of facing permanent retirement for my bike I
realized
how nostalgic I actually am for that Allegro frame. The only other bike

made today that I could embrace might be a Rivendell, if I could afford

one. But I don't know how they rate next to more modern models. I sure
like their look, though. >

I think you need to look at what will fit YOU and your type of riding.
If your Allegro fits and is in "good shape". I would ride it,
especially if money is tight. Upgrading parts is easy. If your frame
has the old 120 or 126mm spacing, it can be spread to fit the more
modern 130mm standard. If you don't know how, find a good shop to do
it. Worth the money.

Alternatively, you can always "upgrade" to a new frameset. It doesn't
necessarily have to cost alot. Obviously, if you want a "Riv" or high
custom-made in America lugged steel bike, be prepared to fork out $$$$
for a frameset, e.g., Rivendell customs *start* at $2500 with a 2 year
wait; others like Eisentraut, Bruce Gordon, Steve Rex, etc. are about
that and don't ask about a Richard Sachs - $3K, 3 year wait list.

There are some cheaper alternatives. Rivendell sells its Romulus
bicycles (complete) for $1500; Rambo frameset, made in Japan by Toyo
cost about $1400. Other brands that are a bit cheaper include Jitensha
studios' Ebisu, Waterford, and Heron all in the $1k price range.

You can get a English-made Mercian for a little less, depending on the
strength of the dollar, which we all know is sucking right now, at
about $800-900. However, maybe the best deal in lugged steel framesets
is Matthew Gramm's Kogwells. Made in China, a frameset can be found for
about $600-700, with room for fenders. A great buy:

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Good Luck!

02-04-2005, 12:36 PM

Saki asks:

<Will spreading the dropouts create metal fatigue on the frame
eventually, or isn't the spread that significant? >

You may want to read the Bicycle FAQ "frames going soft" and "frame
fatique":

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

<With the prospects of facing permanent retirement for my bike I
realized
how nostalgic I actually am for that Allegro frame. The only other bike

made today that I could embrace might be a Rivendell, if I could afford

one. But I don't know how they rate next to more modern models. I sure
like their look, though. >

I think you need to look at what will fit YOU and your type of riding.
If your Allegro fits and is in "good shape". I would ride it,
especially if money is tight. Upgrading parts is easy. If your frame
has the old 120 or 126mm spacing, it can be spread to fit the more
modern 130mm standard. If you don't know how, find a good shop to do
it. Worth the money.

Alternatively, you can always "upgrade" to a new frameset. It doesn't
necessarily have to cost alot. Obviously, if you want a "Riv" or high
custom-made in America lugged steel bike, be prepared to fork out $$$$
for a frameset, e.g., Rivendell customs *start* at $2500 with a 2 year
wait; others like Eisentraut, Bruce Gordon, Steve Rex, etc. are about
that and don't ask about a Richard Sachs - $3K, 3 year wait list.

There are some cheaper alternatives. Rivendell sells its Romulus
bicycles (complete) for $1500; Rambo frameset, made in Japan by Toyo
cost about $1400. Other brands that are a bit cheaper include Jitensha
studios' Ebisu, Waterford, and Heron all in the $1k price range.

You can get a English-made Mercian for a little less, depending on the
strength of the dollar, which we all know is sucking right now, at
about $800-900. However, maybe the best deal in lugged steel framesets
is Matthew Gramm's Kogwells. Made in China, a frameset can be found for
about $600-700, with room for fenders. A great buy:

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Good Luck!

02-04-2005, 01:26 PM

"bfd" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:1107553004.129712.132610
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> I think you need to look at what will fit YOU and your type of riding.
> If your Allegro fits and is in "good shape". I would ride it,
> especially if money is tight. Upgrading parts is easy. If your frame
> has the old 120 or 126mm spacing, it can be spread to fit the more
> modern 130mm standard. If you don't know how, find a good shop to do
> it. Worth the money.

That may be the way to go for the future. I do like the frame...so does my
son, to whom I've promised the bike when I'm too old to ride it. :-)

> You can get a English-made Mercian for a little less, depending on the
> strength of the dollar, which we all know is sucking right now, at
> about $800-900. However, maybe the best deal in lugged steel framesets
> is Matthew Gramm's Kogwells. Made in China, a frameset can be found for
> about $600-700, with room for fenders. A great buy:
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

I've bookmarked this site. Nice to know there are still vendors out there
producing good-quality steel-frame lugged bikes. Many thanks.

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02-04-2005, 01:26 PM

"bfd" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in news:1107553004.129712.132610
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> I think you need to look at what will fit YOU and your type of riding.
> If your Allegro fits and is in "good shape". I would ride it,
> especially if money is tight. Upgrading parts is easy. If your frame
> has the old 120 or 126mm spacing, it can be spread to fit the more
> modern 130mm standard. If you don't know how, find a good shop to do
> it. Worth the money.

That may be the way to go for the future. I do like the frame...so does my
son, to whom I've promised the bike when I'm too old to ride it. :-)

> You can get a English-made Mercian for a little less, depending on the
> strength of the dollar, which we all know is sucking right now, at
> about $800-900. However, maybe the best deal in lugged steel framesets
> is Matthew Gramm's Kogwells. Made in China, a frameset can be found for
> about $600-700, with room for fenders. A great buy:
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

I've bookmarked this site. Nice to know there are still vendors out there
producing good-quality steel-frame lugged bikes. Many thanks.

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