Re: Amount of carbs to consum per hour

12-23-2006, 12:37 PM

"nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Protein would still be good during a ride for the muscles is what I am
> saying.
> The bars and gel have protein right so I guess they think it is a good idea
> for your muscles while they are doing the work.

There is little evidence that protein affects performance during
exercise. The studies that were done to compare protein vs
non-protein nutrition were poorly done and are not widely accepted.

I don't take protein during exerices, waiting instead until I'm off
the bike.
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terry morse - Unidscoverec Country Tours - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

12-23-2006, 02:50 PM

Protein is not an energy source, it is a building piece.

Our bodies dont burn protein for fuel...not effeciently at least. Our
bodies use protien to rebuild what has been damaged/depleted from
exercise. Proteins are usually linked with fats which have a very slow
rate of utility.

Try not eating for a few hours and then hopping on your trainer for a 2
hour intense spin. Consume nothing but ordinary water and milk. See
how you feel.

Then do the same ting the next day but consume only water and a
highquality sports drink like Cytomax (amazing) or Any other endurance
type blend. See how you feel.

And to clear up the 66grams per hour...Our body may need more but it
just cant keep up with the demands of breaking down nutrients....this
really isnt that hard to grasp people.

12-24-2006, 08:11 AM

"Daniel" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Protein is not an energy source, it is a building piece.
>
> Our bodies dont burn protein for fuel...not effeciently at least. Our
> bodies use protien to rebuild what has been damaged/depleted from
> exercise. Proteins are usually linked with fats which have a very slow
> rate of utility.
>
> Try not eating for a few hours and then hopping on your trainer for a 2
> hour intense spin. Consume nothing but ordinary water and milk. See
> how you feel.
>
> Then do the same ting the next day but consume only water and a
> highquality sports drink like Cytomax (amazing) or Any other endurance
> type blend. See how you feel.
>
> And to clear up the 66grams per hour...Our body may need more but it
> just cant keep up with the demands of breaking down nutrients....this
> really isnt that hard to grasp people.

Good post but you would be starving to death on the milk since you cannot
digest milk.
I asked about whey protein powder supplement, chocolate flavored, and having
just drank some blended with milk I can say it is not bitter but sweet..
Also, I never suggested you eat or drink only protein.
You can eat what ever you want on the 2 hour trip. But the next day try
drinking 5 gallons of gatorade before the race and see how you feel. It is
that simple folks.

12-24-2006, 08:50 AM

nash wrote:
> "Daniel" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:1166917834.661106.312100@f1g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Protein is not an energy source, it is a building piece.

> Good post but you would be starving to death on the milk since you cannot
> digest milk.

I don't know about Daniel, but my body can certainly digest milk and
wouldn't object to drinking it on my bike rides if I had a good way of
keeping it fresh. But I'd rather have something that's more
concentrated in carbohydrates with a bit of added salt (Na, K).

> I asked about whey protein powder supplement, chocolate flavored, and having
> just drank some blended with milk I can say it is not bitter but sweet..
> Also, I never suggested you eat or drink only protein.

Terry and Daniel are correct that the primary source of energy for
muscles comes from carbohydrates. Protein can provide some energy, but
not as quickly or efficiently, and is of primary importance for
rebuilding tissues during the recovery process. No need to consume any
right before or during exercise.

> You can eat what ever you want on the 2 hour trip. But the next day try
> drinking 5 gallons of gatorade before the race and see how you feel. It is
> that simple folks.

I don't think I'd feel much like racing after drinking 5 gallons of
anything - what point are you trying to make here?

12-24-2006, 09:25 AM

"nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> You can eat what ever you want on the 2 hour trip. But the next day try
> drinking 5 gallons of gatorade before the race and see how you feel. It is
> that simple folks.

What is that simple? That drinking 5 gallons of anything is a really
bad idea? I don't think you'll get an argument over that point.

Please state your idea, I'm not following.
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terry morse - Undiscovered Country Tours - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

12-24-2006, 10:18 AM

>>>>Terry and Daniel are correct that the primary source of energy for
muscles comes from carbohydrates. Protein can provide some energy, but
not as quickly or efficiently, and is of primary importance for
rebuilding tissues during the recovery process. No need to consume any
right before or during exercise.<<<

Cytogainer is another product from Daniels quoted preferred drink.
Look, protein, like I said can be of use during workouts in whey powder.
Cytosport page...
CytoGainer

Lean Muscle Maximizer

CytoGainer is a calorically dense, easy-to-digest lean muscle maximizing
formula.

Combined with a serious strength training regimen and a sensible, healthy
diet, you will notice immediate gains in muscle mass and bodyweight when
supplementing with CytoGainer.

CytoGainer is almost entirely complex carbs and ultra high quality whey
protein. The protein is glutamine-rich, partially pre-digested whey peptides
for easy digestibility - it gets into your muscles fast. Carbs are complex
maltodextrins from corn hybrids - stabilizes energy and prevents sugar
crash.

CytoGainer:

a.. Promotes an anabolic environment in your body - no more muscle
catabolism due to lack of calories
b.. Allows massive caloric intake without the digestive distress and extra
fat of solid meals
c.. Mixes instantly in water so you can ingest calories immediately after
training. No blender required.

The point I am making about the 5gal before a race is humor since he
compared drinking milk to my proposed chocolate flavored
whey protein powder. That is no where close and if you starve for 5 hours
while eating nothing for 3 hours and
running up a mountain for two hours is not a good comparison. That is his
comparison.
Just showing you that whey powder is a good thing. Cyto whatever says it
gets into the muscles fast.
His experiment was preposterous.
All this thread seems to be about is carbs consumed. That is not all
someone gets from protein bars and gel which
is I suppose used by athletes during a race.

12-24-2006, 10:26 AM

"Terry Morse" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "nash" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> You can eat what ever you want on the 2 hour trip. But the next day try
>> drinking 5 gallons of gatorade before the race and see how you feel. It
>> is
>> that simple folks.
>
> What is that simple? That drinking 5 gallons of anything is a really
> bad idea? I don't think you'll get an argument over that point.
>
> Please state your idea, I'm not following.
> --
> terry morse - Undiscovered Country Tours - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Also, he said the protein is attached to fat and they are both slow
burning/assimilated. Well, that is exactly what you want in any endurance
race. IE anything longer than 20 minutes. I believe 20 minutes is when the
muscle glycogen runs out. Their sport drink has all that figured out. I do
not and will not buy sport drinks as you know from the summer gatorade
homemade post I put up. I did discover whey protein powder at the Price
Smart in bulk which after googling whey protein powder it came still as the
cheapest source. About $5/lb so as a vegetarian's supplement or athlete's
it would work in a pinch.
Also, balance was what I professed. As did our company nurse.

12-24-2006, 10:42 AM

Cyto muscle milk has 50% protein
and 195 calories per 50 gms
nutrition facts here near the bottom, whey on top of the list meaning mostly
whey.
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So if you used that milk in D's experiment you could get comparable results.
And how do you know, if you do like milk that you are digesting and
assimilating it all? You just think you are.

12-24-2006, 12:23 PM

> Also, he said the protein is attached to fat and they are both slow
> burning/assimilated. Well, that is exactly what you want in any endurance
> race. IE anything longer than 20 minutes.

Its actually the intensity of the activity which plays a role here, not
the time span. You burn fat for fuel more efficiently at a lower
intensity while you burn carbs more effectively at a higher intensity.
Since a lot of training (not base miles) and racing are done at very
high levels of intensity, carbs are the more efficient here. If you
are doing a 5 day recreational tour of Arizona..more fat would be
utilized..but still not to the extent of the carbs.

And also, I never implied that milk could not be digested in whatever
scenario..I just said that for providing rapid energy transfer, it
would certainly come in second to a carb/electrolyte drink.

12-24-2006, 06:18 PM

>>>And also, I never implied that milk could not be digested in whatever
scenario..I just said that for providing rapid energy transfer, it
would certainly come in second to a carb/electrolyte drink.<<<

I thought you were comparing it to whey powder because that is what we were
discussing. Milk is not the same as whey protein powder. I did not say you
said it because I said it. Milk cannot be digested by alot of people so you
are actually telling people to starve and see how they feel. Simple eh!
Plus as I said eat more balanced including protein not just calorie dense
Cytosport.