Re: I fixed a broken spoke! - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

12-23-2006, 12:59 PM

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Peter Cole <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> >>> i agree with what you say, but jobst says to bend before the spokes
> >>> are tensioned, and that's premature.
> >>
> >> No, he doesn't -- at least not in his book. I don't know why you keep
> >> repeating this.
> >
> > maybe you read a different version of the book to me? it clearly has a
> > section on "correcting the spoke line" that's spoke bending. and he
> > says to do it after lacing, but before tensioning. and because that
> > precedes hub hole deformation, it can't account for final spoke angle
> > and is therefore premature. i don't understand what's hard to
> > understand about that.
>
> I have the third edition. In Part II "Building and Repairing Wheels",
> under the section "Tensioning the Wheel" (pg. 95), there are six
> sub-sections: "Warning", "Taking Out the Slack", "Making Them Tight",
> "Spoke Twist", "Tension by Tone", and finally "Correcting the Spoke Line".
>
> Does your copy have these sections in a different order?

Correcting the spoke line appears in two places: page
72 and page 96.

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Michael Press

12-23-2006, 01:24 PM

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
> Peter Cole <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>>>> i agree with what you say, but jobst says to bend before the spokes
>>>>> are tensioned, and that's premature.
>>>> No, he doesn't -- at least not in his book. I don't know why you keep
>>>> repeating this.
>>> maybe you read a different version of the book to me? it clearly has a
>>> section on "correcting the spoke line" that's spoke bending. and he
>>> says to do it after lacing, but before tensioning. and because that
>>> precedes hub hole deformation, it can't account for final spoke angle
>>> and is therefore premature. i don't understand what's hard to
>>> understand about that.
>> I have the third edition. In Part II "Building and Repairing Wheels",
>> under the section "Tensioning the Wheel" (pg. 95), there are six
>> sub-sections: "Warning", "Taking Out the Slack", "Making Them Tight",
>> "Spoke Twist", "Tension by Tone", and finally "Correcting the Spoke Line".
>>
>> Does your copy have these sections in a different order?
>
> Correcting the spoke line appears in two places: page
> 72 and page 96.
>
Yes, it does, sorry for the omission.

On page 72:

"..After tensioning the lines of the spokes in a new wheel must be
corrected to achieve this condition."

I think this should be clear enough even to jim beam.

12-23-2006, 01:30 PM

Peter Cole wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
>> Peter Cole <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> i agree with what you say, but jobst says to bend before the
>>>>>> spokes are tensioned, and that's premature.
>>>>> No, he doesn't -- at least not in his book. I don't know why you
>>>>> keep repeating this.
>>>> maybe you read a different version of the book to me? it clearly
>>>> has a section on "correcting the spoke line" that's spoke bending.
>>>> and he says to do it after lacing, but before tensioning. and
>>>> because that precedes hub hole deformation, it can't account for
>>>> final spoke angle and is therefore premature. i don't understand
>>>> what's hard to understand about that.
>>> I have the third edition. In Part II "Building and Repairing Wheels",
>>> under the section "Tensioning the Wheel" (pg. 95), there are six
>>> sub-sections: "Warning", "Taking Out the Slack", "Making Them Tight",
>>> "Spoke Twist", "Tension by Tone", and finally "Correcting the Spoke
>>> Line".
>>>
>>> Does your copy have these sections in a different order?
>>
>> Correcting the spoke line appears in two places: page 72 and page 96.
>>
> Yes, it does, sorry for the omission.
>
> On page 72:
>
> "..After tensioning the lines of the spokes in a new wheel must be
> corrected to achieve this condition."
>
> I think this should be clear enough even to jim beam.

it's clear now!