My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me - Page 5

12-30-2006, 12:20 PM

"KERRY MONTGOMERY" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>> "* * Chas" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>>>> "* * Chas" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>>>> > "KERRY MONTGOMERY" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>>>> > <snip>
>>>> >> I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for
>>>> >> 56,
>>>> > and
>>>> >> in fact can live with upright bicycles.
>>>> >> Kerry
>>>> >>
>>>> > Sniveling, dirty legged kid, 55 and 63 respectively.
>>>> >
>>>> > I tried riding a bent for a few minutes about 30 years ago and I just
>>> felt
>>>> > to [too] uncomfortable trying to keep it balanced.
>>>> >
>>>> > I can appreciate that for some people with physical limitations, a
>>>> > bent
>>> is
>>>> > the only way that they can enjoy cycling. That's great for them.
>>>> >
>>>> > Chas.
>>>>
>>>> It has nothing to do with physical limitations. It has everything to do
>>> with
>>>> comfort. What an idiot you are!
>>>
>>> Uffda!
>>>
>>> Chill out dude and have some more lutefisk and lefse.....
>>>
>>> Go ride your 2 wheeled piece of lawn furniture in peace!
>>>
>>> Also, learn to follow a thread. My comment was a response to KERRY
>>> MONTGOMERY not YOU.
>>
>> Like I said before, what an idiot you are. Observe the newsgroups that a
>> message is going to. Anyone on any of the groups who is following the
>> messages can reply in whatever manner he so chooses. That is what Usenet
>> is all about. Try to get up to speed why don't you?
>>
>> If you only want to talk to this other jerk, Kerry Montgomery, then do it
>> via email and do not bother the rest of us.
>>
> Ed,
> Which part of my posting caused you to call me a jerk?
> Thanks,
> Kerry

Kerry, you are quite right. It was a spill-over from having to deal with a
real jerk who goes by the name of Chas. You are an innocent bystander in
this folderol. I need to get more focused on who my enemies are as I am
coming to think more and more that ANYONE who posts to these cycling
newsgroups is my enemy. I may in fact becoming paranoid. Thanks for the
comeuppance.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

12-30-2006, 01:16 PM

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:45:55 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>Oh, for Christ's sakes, everyone knows that Nixon was no cyclist or much of
>any sportsman whatever. He was a very great President, but that is about all
>he ever was.

Greatest crooked President maybe. Should have put his criminal butt in
jail as a warning to future Presidents to clean up their acts. Too bad
Gerry let him off- we've suffered for it since.

12-30-2006, 02:10 PM

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> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:45:55 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> wrote:
>
>>Oh, for Christ's sakes, everyone knows that Nixon was no cyclist or much
>>of
>>any sportsman whatever. He was a very great President, but that is about
>>all
>>he ever was.
>
> Greatest crooked President maybe. Should have put his criminal butt in
> jail as a warning to future Presidents to clean up their acts. Too bad
> Gerry let him off- we've suffered for it since.

Nixon should never have resigned. He should have fought the impeachment
tooth and nail, just like Clinton did his impeachment.

Nixon was born to be President. He was Great in every sense of the word. His
so-called crookedness was just boys will be boys, all part and parcel of the
political shenanigans which we expect of our political leaders. Unlike Teddy
Kennedy, Nixon did not kill (murder) anyone personally and unlike Clinton he
was not a depraved sexual sot.

On the other hand, Ford was in way over his head from the get-go. He was a
numskull President. The one and only good thing he did was to pardon Nixon
(for nothing in my opinion). Only Carter was a worse President. It was
really Reagan which saved us from our own idiocies. But I suspect, like all
liberal scum, that you did not like Reagan either. So choke on your g.d.
Carter and your g.d. Clinton, two Democratic Presidents who never had a clue
about anything.

What is presently happening in Iraq between the Shia and the Sunnis I can
easily see happening here in America between liberals and conservatives. I
for one would not mind in the least killing (murdering) liberals. It would
be my good deed for the day.

I absolutely loath Nixon haters almost as much as I loath Bush haters. Hey,
just plain 'Bob,' please go **** yourself and never post to these newsgroups
ever again. We do not care about your freaking Woodstock values nor your
freaking petty hatreds. God damn liberals, sons of bitches, blackguards,
treasonous bastards, kill the ****ers ...

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

12-30-2006, 05:11 PM

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Jim Behning" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>> Prisoner at War wrote:
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>>>> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
>>>> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
>>>> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
>>>> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
>>>> shouler wrist pain start!!
>>>
>>>
>>> I can ride my uprights all day continously and be comfortable.
>>>
>>> The problem is that within two weeks my back will be aching like crazy.
>>> And I am likely one of the few young 'bent-riders around at age 34.
>>>
>>> I never had a problem with my wrists or shoulders from upright biking,
>>> though. I do change hand positions for comfort, but no regular problem
>>> has ever developed. It's only my back that's really affected. I agree
>>> that frame geometry and a proper saddle do a lot for comfort on an
>>> upright, and I don't blame bike-riding per se for my bad back -- it
>>> kind of started in childhood and was really messed up in the Army but
>>> upright bikes and even jogging exacerbates it.
>>>
>>> My sports doc recommended a 'bent, and that was my excuse to splurge
>>> thousands.
>>>
>>> It's been great fun, but getting annoying now with all the break-downs.
>>>
>> I do better with the sore back issues if I keep up with core muscle
>> training. I got a pretty sore back on an 8 hour mountain bike ride/race
>> but part of that is a way to tight left quad. I need to stretch that
>> muscle more. Massage therapists have said I have tight hamstrings. I need
>> to a lot more stretching I guess.
>
> Jim proves my point about uprights being essentially uncomfortable unless
> you are in tip top shape. I refuse to do any kind of training just so I can
> ride a bike. Perish the thought! I ride a bike strictly for the fun of it
> and if I have to train in order to do it, then it is no longer any fun.
>
> Back problems especially won't go away unless you do some kind of
> strengthening exercise to get those back and abdominal muscles into shape.
> Furthermore, the older you get, the more this becomes a losing proposition.
> I will not do any kind of training or exercise just so I can ride a bike.
> What foolishness!
>
> > My cross bike is more comfortable than my road bike. I need to get a
>> shorter stem and maybe raise the stem a bit on the road bike. Little
>> things can make big differences.
>
> All you are doing is rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship. Get a
> recumbent and forget all this nonsense about trying to be comfortable on an
> upright. It ain't ever going to happen.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
In days of old people had to work all day to feed themselves. Since
modern man has chosen to not not work to feed themselves then you have
to do some activities to replace the work activities my grandfather did.
Of course you do not have to do anything. I just believe that doing some
exercises to keep muscles besides my legs is beneficial to me. Core
exercises are not just to help a person ride a bike. They help you stay
healthy in all the activiies you might do. I built a 2700 sf barn
practically by myself. I have a bunch of stumps I need to dig out. I
have a few dug out already. Sit ups, squats, curls and bench presses
help the weekend warier tasks less painful or epic. Of course if you do
nothing but ride a bike then you may never need to be in shape. Of
course then you do not want to have kids you might want to pick up. Or
groceries you might take out of the car. I ride a bike. I race maybe 20
races a year on the mountain bike, the cross bike and maybe even run a
road race. It is real hard to be competitive on a recumbent but if you
don't do those fun races then it does not matter to you. I don't use a
Macintosh either.

12-30-2006, 05:16 PM

Edward Dolan wrote:
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> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
>> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
>> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
>> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
>> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
>> shouler wrist pain start!!
>
> 4 to 6 hours in one day is not nearly good enough. Can you ride 8 to 10
> hours a day for 2 weeks at a time? I thought not! No, if you want to be able
> to do that you will have to get a recumbent. There is no other way.
>
The thing is you can ride an upright bike, get your ride done in 4
hours, get your shower, get your lunch and still see the recumbent ride
in hours later. 6 hours on my road bike is 100 miles if I am riding
easy. Yes I have ridden for a week straight 5-8 hours a day. I could
have ridden two weeks but I scheduled a week for vacation. I have no
desire to sit in a chair 8 hours a day on vacation or at work. The body
is not designed to sit for that long.

12-30-2006, 11:54 PM

Jim Behning wrote:

> The thing is you can ride an upright bike, get your ride done in 4
> hours, get your shower, get your lunch and still see the recumbent ride
> in hours later.

Depends a lot on the bike. If you check you'll find that the right
sort of recumbents hold the aces for speed. The UK End to End
Land's End to John O' Groats 800+ mile road record is held on a
recumbent (a shade over 41 hours), with Andy Wilkinson beating his
own upright record to get it, so you can can even factor out the rider.

> I have no
> desire to sit in a chair 8 hours a day on vacation or at work. The body
> is not designed to sit for that long.

Since it isn't designed for a bike saddle /at all/, that's not a
good approach to the argument!

Pete.
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12-31-2006, 01:58 PM

"Edward Dolan" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Nixon should never have resigned. He should have fought the impeachment
> tooth and nail, just like Clinton did his impeachment.
>
> Nixon was born to be President. He was Great in every sense of the word. His
> so-called crookedness was just boys will be boys, all part and parcel of the
> political shenanigans which we expect of our political leaders. Unlike Teddy
> Kennedy, Nixon did not kill (murder) anyone personally and unlike Clinton he
> was not a depraved sexual sot.
>
> On the other hand, Ford was in way over his head from the get-go. He was a
> numskull President. The one and only good thing he did was to pardon Nixon
> (for nothing in my opinion). Only Carter was a worse President. It was
> really Reagan which saved us from our own idiocies. But I suspect, like all
> liberal scum, that you did not like Reagan either. So choke on your g.d.
> Carter and your g.d. Clinton, two Democratic Presidents who never had a clue
> about anything.
>
> What is presently happening in Iraq between the Shia and the Sunnis I can
> easily see happening here in America between liberals and conservatives. I
> for one would not mind in the least killing (murdering) liberals. It would
> be my good deed for the day.
>
> I absolutely loath Nixon haters almost as much as I loath Bush haters. Hey,
> just plain 'Bob,' please go **** yourself and never post to these newsgroups
> ever again. We do not care about your freaking Woodstock values nor your
> freaking petty hatreds. God damn liberals, sons of bitches, blackguards,
> treasonous bastards, kill the ****ers ...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Dear Ed:

You mispelled "numbskull"

Ted

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Ted Bennett

12-31-2006, 02:42 PM

Ted Bennett <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>"Edward Dolan" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> Nixon should never have resigned. He should have fought the impeachment
>> tooth and nail, just like Clinton did his impeachment.
>>
>> Nixon was born to be President. He was Great in every sense of the word. His
>> so-called crookedness was just boys will be boys, all part and parcel of the
>> political shenanigans which we expect of our political leaders. Unlike Teddy
>> Kennedy, Nixon did not kill (murder) anyone personally and unlike Clinton he
>> was not a depraved sexual sot.
>>
>> On the other hand, Ford was in way over his head from the get-go. He was a
>> numskull President. The one and only good thing he did was to pardon Nixon
>> (for nothing in my opinion). Only Carter was a worse President. It was
>> really Reagan which saved us from our own idiocies. But I suspect, like all
>> liberal scum, that you did not like Reagan either. So choke on your g.d.
>> Carter and your g.d. Clinton, two Democratic Presidents who never had a clue
>> about anything.
>>
>> What is presently happening in Iraq between the Shia and the Sunnis I can
>> easily see happening here in America between liberals and conservatives. I
>> for one would not mind in the least killing (murdering) liberals. It would
>> be my good deed for the day.
>>
>> I absolutely loath Nixon haters almost as much as I loath Bush haters. Hey,
>> just plain 'Bob,' please go **** yourself and never post to these newsgroups
>> ever again. We do not care about your freaking Woodstock values nor your
>> freaking petty hatreds. God damn liberals, sons of bitches, blackguards,
>> treasonous bastards, kill the ****ers ...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>Dear Ed:
>
>You mispelled "numbskull"
>
>Ted

Dear Ed:

You misspelled "Shi'ite"

Don

12-31-2006, 04:53 PM

Peter Clinch wrote:
> Jim Behning wrote:
>
>> The thing is you can ride an upright bike, get your ride done in 4
>> hours, get your shower, get your lunch and still see the recumbent
>> ride in hours later.
>
> Depends a lot on the bike. If you check you'll find that the right sort
> of recumbents hold the aces for speed. The UK End to End Land's End to
> John O' Groats 800+ mile road record is held on a recumbent (a shade
> over 41 hours), with Andy Wilkinson beating his own upright record to
> get it, so you can can even factor out the rider.
>
>> I have no desire to sit in a chair 8 hours a day on vacation or at
>> work. The body is not designed to sit for that long.
>
> Since it isn't designed for a bike saddle /at all/, that's not a good
> approach to the argument!
>
> Pete.
I figured it was just an exercise in typing. Out exercising beats typing
any day. Anyone that can do iron butt upright or lounging is amazing. I
am pretty beat after 8 hours on a mountain bike. It is not about the
bike but about my muscles that are not used to working. Sitting in a
chair to earn a living means bike riding can be painful in huge helpings.

12-31-2006, 08:46 PM

"Edward Dolan" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
> recumbent cyclist insist on comfort, something that you can never get on
> an upright.
>
> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
> mad I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could
> ever be comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the
> way to hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One
> thing is for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.

Ed, when I started riding again I had a whole lot of pains in just about
every part of my body from that damned bicycle.

But over time I learned to properly fit and to adjust myself to the bike.

I put in 7600+ miles this year and the worst pain I've had from the bike was
an occasional sore butt and that's usually near the start of a ride. It goes
away as I ride out longer.

I can certainly understand why you'd be angry at the pain from a bicycle but
when I started running way back when I had every possible pain a person
could have except when running they got progressively worse. Eventually I
had to stop running because my legs would be numb from the knees down for
days at a time.

I've ridden some recumbents and to be frank, I didn't find them that
comfortable and neither did I see any advantage to using them. Though I did
discover that I like short wheelbase recumbents with underseat steering.