Two cyclists attacked and beaten in Portland - Page 5

01-16-2007, 03:01 PM

"Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
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> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:44:33 -0500, "Gooserider"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> said:
>
>>YES IT WAS.
>
> Um, no. It was not.
>
> This part was not added until later.
>
>
I posted the link. It was there. You missed it.

01-16-2007, 03:02 PM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Gooserider wrote:
> :: "Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
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> ::: On 15 Jan 2007 19:48:37 -0800, "Sir Ridesalot"
> ::: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> ::: said:
> :::
> :::: If you read the whole article you will see these lines:
> :::
> ::: That was not mentioned in the original article.
> ::
> :: YES IT WAS.
> ::
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> ::
> :: One witness heard a racial slur aimed at the cyclists, who said they
> :: didn't hear it. The teens were black while the cyclists were white.
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> ::
> :: Can you read? It's right there in black and white, along with a nice
> :: picture of the two white victims. This was a racial attack.
> ::
>
> You don't know this...you weren't there. Even the cyclist didn't know why
> they got attacked. "A racial slur" doesn't mean it was a racially
> motivated attack.
>
> What's your issue?
>
> ::

So if three white guys beat up two black cyclists while shouting the n-word,
would you say the same thing? What's YOUR issue?

01-16-2007, 03:03 PM

"Zoot Katz" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On 15 Jan 2007 19:48:37 -0800, "Sir Ridesalot"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
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>>
>>> ::: One witness heard a racial slur aimed at the cyclists, who said
>>> ::: they didn't hear it. The teens were black while the cyclists were
>>> ::: white.
>>
>>That is where the skin colours was mentioned.
>>
> Had both the assailants and victims been the same skin colour the
> story wouldn't have made ink unless one was trying to highlight the
> gender angle.
>
> It's probably a scenario that is repeated several times per week in
> other cities across the country but Portland's awareness of bicycling
> issues got it reported by the media there.
> --
> zk

I'll go you one further---if the races had been reversed this would be a
national news story. "Racist attack in Portland", and all that.

01-16-2007, 03:05 PM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Mark Hickey wrote:
> :: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]l (Tom Keats) wrote:
> ::
> ::: So I have the feeling these victims may have been
> ::: picked-on because they were /perceived/ as "rich chicks"
> ::: with fancy, expensive bikes, sticking their /perceived/
> ::: Conspicuous Consumerism in other people's faces.
> :::
> ::: Or maybe the perps thought the cyclists were gay,
> ::: and it's a case of [misguided] gay-bashing?
> :::
> ::: I dunno.
> :::
> ::: But as a life-long city boy, I do know when I'm
> ::: confrontin'. And I know when to back-off.
> :::
> ::: I guess these ladies didn't.
> ::
> :: Would you say the same about if the victims had been black and a
> :: group of affluent white girls had attacked them because of their
> :: hip-hop dress and attitude? If only they had "backed off"...
> ::
> :: Exactly how DO you "back off" when your "insult" is being white and
> :: riding a bike? Personally, I'm not quite sure how to do that. I've
> :: ridden thousands of miles through predominantly black neighborhoods
> :: and never realized that I needed to "back off".
>
> I took it to mean use some caution in a potentially dangerous situation.
> The backing off part would be to alter your course, speed up, etc., rather
> than just riding into trouble.
>
> Again, we can't know for sure that this was only racially motivated. The
> trigger might have been something else and the racial slurs came "just
> because.".
>
>

That doesn't matter. Once you're beating someone while calling them
"cracker" or "white bitch" or whatever, the attack morphs into a racial
attack. Unless, of course, you would say the same if three white guys beat
up two black cyclists while calling them the n-word or other racial slurs.

01-16-2007, 03:07 PM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Tom Keats wrote:
> :: In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
> :: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> ::
> :::::: Maybe it was just a random occurence. Who knows. Geez, people.
> ::::::
> ::::::
> :::::
> ::::: And MAYBE the black girls attacked two white women because they
> ::::: were white, and did so while calling them racial slurs. Geez,
> ::::: Roger.
> :::
> ::: Given that you nor I were there, we'll never know. For all you
> ::: know, one of the women on bike could have said something to incite
> ::: them.
> ::
> :: As you say, we weren't there.
> ::
> :: But I just can't help intuitively feeling that
> :: perceived affluence & corresponding attitudes was
> :: a larger factor in this incident, than "race".
>
> Could very well be...
>
> :: Maybe my own life experience of growing up in a
> :: city with a distinct "east side" and "west side"
> :: is affecting my view.
> ::
> :: I don't know where Legacy Emanuel Hospital is in
> :: Portland, but I do know that Portland is more
> :: complicated that cities with simple east/west or
> :: north/south economic demographics.
> ::
> :: But the M.O. of punks from the working-class/industrial
> :: area/immigrant-enclave part of town, standing in the way
> :: and beligerently challenging oncomers (especially "rich"
> :: interlopers) is all too familiar to me.
> ::
> :: So I have the feeling these victims may have been
> :: picked-on because they were /perceived/ as "rich chicks"
> :: with fancy, expensive bikes, sticking their /perceived/
> :: Conspicuous Consumerism in other people's faces.
> ::
>
> Very possible.....
>
> :: Or maybe the perps thought the cyclists were gay,
> :: and it's a case of [misguided] gay-bashing?
> ::
>
> Again, very possible...
>
>
> :: I dunno.
> ::
> :: But as a life-long city boy, I do know when I'm
> :: confrontin'. And I know when to back-off.
>
> I tell you what....I'm surprised the ladies on bikes let them get so
> close. It's hard to know the circumstances, but if I were riding and saw
> them threatening kids ahead in the bike lane, I'd have either turned
> around or swung wide with speed. Could be the problem started with the
> kids standing in the bike lane and the cyclists trying to use that lane
> too.
>
> ::
> ::

Hey, common sense would dictate to give the people in the lane a wide berth,
but common sense doesn't always take precedence. Maybe the cyclists were
afraid of appearing racist?

01-16-2007, 03:11 PM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Gooserider wrote:
> :: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> ::: Gooserider wrote:
> ::::: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> :::::: Ken C. M. wrote:
> :::::::: Gooserider wrote:
> ::::::::: Wow. And that's a bike friendly city. I hope the assailants
> ::::::::: are caught and sent to prison.
> :::::::::
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> :::::::::
> ::::::::: PORTLAND, Ore. - Two cyclists said they were attacked by three
> ::::::::: teenagers near a north Portland bus stop on Wednesday.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: The women, Ashley Gorman and her co-worker Heather Moles, were
> ::::::::: riding their bikes home from work when the attack occurred
> ::::::::: near Legacy Emanuel Hospital.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: The cyclists said the teen girls were standing in the bike
> ::::::::: lane waiting for the bus and they had to steer their bikes
> ::::::::: around the group. The teens may have thought the cyclists
> ::::::::: rode too closely.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: The next thing she knew, one of the teens kicked out Moles'
> ::::::::: tire, causing her to fall.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: "I felt the thud, and then the tire went, and I went skidding
> ::::::::: into the road," Moles said.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: That's when the beating began. Three teens punched both
> ::::::::: cyclists in the head and dislocated Moles' shoulder.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: Jonathan Corey was passing by and helped break up the fight,
> ::::::::: pulling the teens off the cyclists.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: "It became obvious who was the aggressor in the whole
> ::::::::: equation," he said.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: Corey added that the assailants were ruthless.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: "I felt like I almost didn't use enough force in retrospect
> ::::::::: as I might have wanted to to make the thing stop," he said.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: One witness heard a racial slur aimed at the cyclists, who
> ::::::::: said they didn't hear it. The teens were black while the
> ::::::::: cyclists were white.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: The cyclists wonder whether race had anything to do with the
> ::::::::: attack. They can't understand what caused it.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: "I could imagine if we had said something but nothing was
> ::::::::: said," Gorman said.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: Gorman suffered the worst beating. She went to the emergency
> ::::::::: room but has no insurance to pay for it.
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: "I got bruised up pretty good," Gorman said. "I got my behind
> ::::::::: handed to me."
> :::::::::
> ::::::::: A fourth teenager with the group apparently stood by during
> ::::::::: the attack but then apologized afterward just before everybody
> ::::::::: scattered and police arrived.
> :::::::::
> :::::::::
> ::::::::
> :::::::: And I thought Portland was generally regarded as very cyclist
> :::::::: friendly! If thats friendly I would hate to see hostile.
> ::::::
> :::::: Surely you don't judge an entire city by the acts of a few stupid
> :::::: teens....
> ::::::
> :::::: Strange (or
> :::::::: maybe not) that race was mentioned in the article. I wonder if
> :::::::: it was a predominately black (African American or whatever)
> :::::::: part of town.
> ::::::
> :::::: Maybe it was just a random occurence. Who knows. Geez, people.
> ::::::
> ::::::
> :::::
> ::::: And MAYBE the black girls attacked two white women because they
> ::::: were white, and did so while calling them racial slurs. Geez,
> ::::: Roger.
> :::
> ::: Given that you nor I were there, we'll never know. For all you
> ::: know, one of the women on bike could have said something to incite
> ::: them.
> ::
> :: Nothing they could have said(and they insist they said nothing)
> :: justifies a BEATING. What kind of bull is that, Roger? Even if the
> :: two cyclists were n-word spouting skinheads, no words justify a
> :: beating. Why are you so unwilling to believe this is what it
> :: obviously is---a racial attack? Unbelievable.
>
> Who said anything at all about the attack being justified? Are you truly
> this stupid? I don't think it was justified in any manner whatsoever.
> However, I'm not so willing to believe as you are, that it was racially
> motivated. Perhaps that's the "easy" answer, but so what? That doesn't
> make it so.
>
> Obviously, you have some issues.

Once you said---"For all you know, one of the women on bike could have said
something to incite them."--you were looking for justification. You have
some issues, I think. A witness said that racial slurs were said during the
attack, the victims and attackers were of different races---what do you
THINK? Unreal. I seriously doubt you would be so easy going if the races in
this case were reversed. It's a racist attack, even if it didn't START that
way it became one.

01-16-2007, 04:34 PM

Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:10:30 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> said:
>
>> Yes it was.
>
> No it wasn't, stupid.

Yes it was, moron.

> I proved this to you already.

To me? This was our first (and only) exchange.

> If you can't figure that out, it's your problem.

Do I really need to quote the OP? (Someone else did already, BTW.) The
reference to the racial element was included in the very first post on the
subject. (I pointed this out in my first reply BUT YOU DELETED IT.
Telling.)

Strange that you'd hide behind an anonymous user name yet spam your books
(including the "recommended" link LOL ) in every single post.

Shall we simply conclude that you're not too bright and leave it at that?

DONE.

BS

01-16-2007, 04:41 PM

Dennis P. Harris wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:53:08 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, Bill Baka
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> You've noticed that aspect? I am now a minority in California, being
>> white, yet discriminated against because of it. Affirmative action just
>> means that my job will be given to a less qualified person 'of some
>> color'.
>
> i thought baka the bigot had been killfiled! oh well, PLONK
>
Who's a bigot? YOU need to live in California.
Bill Baka

01-16-2007, 04:50 PM

Stephen Harding wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>
>> half the price. I've had to train (and once fire) guys with Ph.d.s who
>> really almost did not know which end of a screwdriver to hold. It would
>
> PhD's making use of screwdrivers???
>
> What sort of jobs were they doing?
>
>
> SMH

Electronics system design.
I've had guys who could fill a blackboard (white board) with equations
that looked really fancy but couldn't design their way out of a wet
paper bag. Just because their parents bought the university a wing to
get their kid graduated does not make the 'Doctor' intelligent, just has
a piece of sheepskin to brag about.
Real reality, non television kind.
Bill Baka

01-16-2007, 04:53 PM

Roger Zoul wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
> :: Roger Zoul wrote:
> ::: Bill Baka wrote:
> ::::: Gooserider wrote:
> :::::: "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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lreoe.57e.ln@bud.garden.local...
> ::::::: In article <45aae71f.31804750@news.supernews.com>,
> ::::::: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts)
> ::::::: writes:
> :::::::
> :::::::: I wonder what the assailants' Free Republic handles were.
> ::::::: Sounds to me like a case of punk-ettes looking for
> ::::::: peurile, bullying kicks, beligerently blocking a bike
> ::::::: lane, and waiting for the next victimizable cyclist(s)
> ::::::: to come along, to pick-on.
> :::::::
> ::::::: It's old hat stuff. Except cases of inter-female
> ::::::: bullying are now being more publicized.
> :::::::
> :::::::
> ::::::: cheers,
> ::::::: Tom
> :::::::
> ::::::
> :::::: Well, except for the racial aspect. If three white teenagers beat
> :::::: two black cyclists while spouting racial slurs, this would be the
> :::::: lead story on every networks' newscast, and the assailants'
> :::::: photos would be splashed on every newspaper and magazine in the
> :::::: country. But the victims were white so this story will remain a
> :::::: local one, and a minor local one at that.
> ::::::
> ::::::
> ::::: You've noticed that aspect? I am now a minority in California,
> ::::: being white, yet discriminated against because of it.
> :::
> ::: So, who has discriminated against you, Bill?
> ::
> :: Working in electronics I would now have to be Chinese or East Indian
> :: or willing to move there to train more replacements for the few
> :: remaining high tech jobs. Not me, all American born engineers.
> :::
> ::::: Affirmative action
> ::::: just means that my job will be given to a less qualified person
> ::::: 'of some color'. It has gotten out of hand.
> :::
> ::: Are you sure that person, who goes your job, will be less qualified
> ::: than you? Also, many new hires, of any color, are less qualified
> ::: that old hounds and work for less pay. Watch out that you don't
> ::: get replaced because you're an old dog.
> :::
> :: I'm an old dog who knows a lot more than the kiddies they bring in at
> :: half the price. I've had to train (and once fire) guys with Ph.d.s
> :: who really almost did not know which end of a screwdriver to hold.
>
> Why in the world did they have you training them? Obvious mismatch.

Many IT guys have complained that they were forced to train East Indians
for their job knowing that as soon as the new guy got up to speed he was
history.
>
> :: It would have been fun with the soldering iron on the bench.
> :: Big degrees, no real bigger brains.
> :: The new world order, remember?
>
> Not really.

You must have job security flipping burgers.
Bill Baka
>
> :: Bill Baka
>
>