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01-16-2007, 05:55 PM

Roger Zoul wrote:
> Right. Perhaps the kids were gang members trying to earn some respect.
>
>
Uh-huh.
They proved that 3 black guys could beat up 2 white girls.
Do girly-men get repect for that kind of thing?
Bill Baka

01-16-2007, 06:11 PM

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:34:07 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> said:

>(I pointed this out in my first reply BUT YOU DELETED IT.
>Telling.)
>
>Strange that you'd hide behind an anonymous user name yet spam your books
>(including the "recommended" link LOL ) in every single post.

Now you're really making yourself sound like a loon.

>BS

Yes, this is something you are full of.

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01-16-2007, 07:29 PM

Gooserider wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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::: Gooserider wrote:
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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:::::: Gooserider wrote:
:::::::: "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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::::::::: Ken C. M. wrote:
::::::::::: Gooserider wrote:
:::::::::::: Wow. And that's a bike friendly city. I hope the assailants
:::::::::::: are caught and sent to prison.
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:::::::::::: PORTLAND, Ore. - Two cyclists said they were attacked by
:::::::::::: three teenagers near a north Portland bus stop on
:::::::::::: Wednesday.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: The women, Ashley Gorman and her co-worker Heather Moles,
:::::::::::: were riding their bikes home from work when the attack
:::::::::::: occurred near Legacy Emanuel Hospital.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: The cyclists said the teen girls were standing in the bike
:::::::::::: lane waiting for the bus and they had to steer their bikes
:::::::::::: around the group. The teens may have thought the cyclists
:::::::::::: rode too closely.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: The next thing she knew, one of the teens kicked out Moles'
:::::::::::: tire, causing her to fall.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: "I felt the thud, and then the tire went, and I went
:::::::::::: skidding into the road," Moles said.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: That's when the beating began. Three teens punched both
:::::::::::: cyclists in the head and dislocated Moles' shoulder.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: Jonathan Corey was passing by and helped break up the
:::::::::::: fight, pulling the teens off the cyclists.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: "It became obvious who was the aggressor in the whole
:::::::::::: equation," he said.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: Corey added that the assailants were ruthless.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: "I felt like I almost didn't use enough force in retrospect
:::::::::::: as I might have wanted to to make the thing stop," he said.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: One witness heard a racial slur aimed at the cyclists, who
:::::::::::: said they didn't hear it. The teens were black while the
:::::::::::: cyclists were white.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: The cyclists wonder whether race had anything to do with
:::::::::::: the attack. They can't understand what caused it.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: "I could imagine if we had said something but nothing was
:::::::::::: said," Gorman said.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: Gorman suffered the worst beating. She went to the
:::::::::::: emergency room but has no insurance to pay for it.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: "I got bruised up pretty good," Gorman said. "I got my
:::::::::::: behind handed to me."
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: A fourth teenager with the group apparently stood by during
:::::::::::: the attack but then apologized afterward just before
:::::::::::: everybody scattered and police arrived.
::::::::::::
::::::::::::
:::::::::::
::::::::::: And I thought Portland was generally regarded as very
::::::::::: cyclist friendly! If thats friendly I would hate to see
::::::::::: hostile.
:::::::::
::::::::: Surely you don't judge an entire city by the acts of a few
::::::::: stupid teens....
:::::::::
::::::::: Strange (or
::::::::::: maybe not) that race was mentioned in the article. I wonder
::::::::::: if it was a predominately black (African American or
::::::::::: whatever) part of town.
:::::::::
::::::::: Maybe it was just a random occurence. Who knows. Geez,
::::::::: people.
:::::::::
:::::::::
::::::::
:::::::: And MAYBE the black girls attacked two white women because they
:::::::: were white, and did so while calling them racial slurs. Geez,
:::::::: Roger.
::::::
:::::: Given that you nor I were there, we'll never know. For all you
:::::: know, one of the women on bike could have said something to
:::::: incite them.
:::::
::::: Nothing they could have said(and they insist they said nothing)
::::: justifies a BEATING. What kind of bull is that, Roger? Even if the
::::: two cyclists were n-word spouting skinheads, no words justify a
::::: beating. Why are you so unwilling to believe this is what it
::::: obviously is---a racial attack? Unbelievable.
:::
::: Who said anything at all about the attack being justified? Are you
::: truly this stupid? I don't think it was justified in any manner
::: whatsoever. However, I'm not so willing to believe as you are, that
::: it was racially motivated. Perhaps that's the "easy" answer, but so
::: what? That doesn't make it so.
:::
::: Obviously, you have some issues.
::
:: Once you said---"For all you know, one of the women on bike could
:: have said something to incite them."--you were looking for
:: justification. You have some issues, I think. A witness said that
:: racial slurs were said during the attack, the victims and attackers
:: were of different races---what do you THINK? Unreal. I seriously
:: doubt you would be so easy going if the races in this case were
:: reversed. It's a racist attack, even if it didn't START that way it
:: became one.

You only label it this way because for you race is the only issue here of
importance. I'm not saying the attack wasn't racially motivated, I'm saying
that you don't know that it was. I'm also not looking for any
justification, because there isn't any. However, something did set them off,
and we'll never know since we weren't there. The easy thing to do is to
claim, with so little real proof, that this had anything to do with race.
Frankly, I'm surprised those two cyclist let them get so close.

If they weren't attacked merely because they were white, then it's simply
not a racist attack, no matter what you say.

01-16-2007, 07:31 PM

Bill Baka wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Right. Perhaps the kids were gang members trying to earn some
::: respect.
:::
:::
:: Uh-huh.
:: They proved that 3 black guys could beat up 2 white girls.
They were girls....not guys.

:: Do girly-men get repect for that kind of thing?
:: Bill Baka

01-16-2007, 07:52 PM

"Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Bill Baka wrote:
> :: Roger Zoul wrote:
> ::: Right. Perhaps the kids were gang members trying to earn some
> ::: respect.
> :::
> :::
> :: Uh-huh.
> :: They proved that 3 black guys could beat up 2 white girls.
> They were girls....not guys.
>
> :: Do girly-men get repect for that kind of thing?
> :: Bill Baka
You might say they attacked 2 cyclists because they hate bike riders.
I get yelled at for being on the street where I am not suppose to be instead
of the sidewalk now and then. Either they gave up or I just do not hear
them anymore.
Pitbull mentality really. Swarming king of thing. More girl gangs now.
Maybe it was intiation night for someone.

take care y'all

01-16-2007, 08:15 PM

Stephen Harding <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Bill Baka wrote:
>
>> half the price. I've had to train (and once fire) guys with Ph.d.s who
>> really almost did not know which end of a screwdriver to hold. It would
>
>PhD's making use of screwdrivers???
>
>What sort of jobs were they doing?

I certainly hope the MD who replaced my wife's ACL knew how to use a
screwdriver (there being about half a dozen titanium - of course -
screws that initially held the whole knee together).

Mark Hickey
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01-16-2007, 11:37 PM

Random Waftings Of Bunker Blasts wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:34:07 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> said:
>
>> (I pointed this out in my first reply BUT YOU DELETED IT.
>> Telling.)
>>
>> Strange that you'd hide behind an anonymous user name yet spam your
>> books (including the "recommended" link LOL ) in every single post.

> Now you're really making yourself sound like a loon.

Wow. You're insipid as well as stupid.

Case rested.

01-17-2007, 12:12 AM

Bill Baka wrote:
> Roger Zoul wrote:
> > Right. Perhaps the kids were gang members trying to earn some respect.
> >
> >
> Uh-huh.
> They proved that 3 black guys could beat up 2 white girls.
> Do girly-men get repect for that kind of thing?
> Bill Baka

Ah Bill, no men white or black were involved. The article states:

"The cyclists said the teen girls were standing in the bike
lane..." rest is snipped

That means three females beat up two females so there were not any
girly-men loking for respect.

It is always possible that this may have been a result of an earlier
incident or incidents. None of us was there so we will never know.

Peter

01-17-2007, 09:01 AM

Gooserider <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
<snip>
: That doesn't matter. Once you're beating someone while calling them
<snip>

Not really, I believe they go by the original motive for the attack... We
had a incident in Chicago where 3 kids were out looking to steal a bike not
that long ago...

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'... Micha Eatman, 17, and two unnamed 16-year-olds were charged Tuesday
with robbery and aggravated battery in connection with a Sunday afternoon
beating that left eighth-grader Ryan Rusch unconscious with severe head
injuries.

Prosecutors had considered charging the teens, who are black, with hate
crimes after one of them said Ryan was attacked because he was a "goofy
white kid."

Milan said the spirit of the hate crime laws is to increase misdemeanors
to felonies.

"Because we've changed the charges to attempted murder, there's no reason
to do it," Milan told the 150 people who crammed into a gymnasium.

01-17-2007, 09:10 AM

Chicago Paddling-Fishing <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:

> I drove off and stopped on the median a few blocks away to
> survey damage and as I did a police car drove up and I told him
> what happened and he said the kids had been breaking car
> windows all day...

You must have terrible police if they let teenagers out there
break car windows all day without doing anything to stop them.
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